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Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

  • Yes! Most all of Mexicans want to take back their land

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No! None of them want the land they lost to the US back

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    27
We're supposed to feel guilty because our ancestors were better at it.

Screw all you guys. My ancestry is from Denmark and we didnt come over here til after all you evil bastards had destroyed the indians and enslaved the Africans. ;)
 
Screw all you guys. My ancestry is from Denmark and we didnt come over here til after all you evil bastards had destroyed the indians and enslaved the Africans. ;)

The Danes taught the English well.
 
People have been fighting over land ever since Og conked Grog over the head and took his cave. How do we ever go back to the idea of "giving back" land that was taken years ago? The borders are what they are because the winners of the wars drew them that way. No way is the US going to give back the southwest to Mexico, or to the Aztecs, or Mayans, or anyone else. If we did, the Mexican government would just screw it up, and the Mexican peasants would have to go farther north to cross the border. If the Mexicans or Mexican Americans think they want to be subjects of the government in Mexico City, they need their collective heads examined. Our government is pretty bad, but it is still one of the best in the world.
 
Me thinks you need a history lesson...

Try 'thinksing' that I didnt give enough of a **** to cite the exact lineage but you can bet mehico was not once and always a sovereign country peopled by only mehicans. Better?
 
People have been fighting over land ever since Og conked Grog over the head and took his cave. How do we ever go back to the idea of "giving back" land that was taken years ago? The borders are what they are because the winners of the wars drew them that way. No way is the US going to give back the southwest to Mexico, or to the Aztecs, or Mayans, or anyone else. If we did, the Mexican government would just screw it up, and the Mexican peasants would have to go farther north to cross the border. If the Mexicans or Mexican Americans think they want to be subjects of the government in Mexico City, they need their collective heads examined. Our government is pretty bad, but it is still one of the best in the world.

Yep...because they have done SUCH a wonderful job governing that country that 20-30 million of them risk their life to be 'from' there.
 
Who exactly are these mehicans that you speak of? You mean, the Spaniards? That stole the land from the Mayans?

I am not talking about Mexicans, I am asking a question. Fail.

If you want to get into it though, there are three types of Mexicans (Latinos), Peninsulara's, Mestizo's and the non-mixed native tribal locals. And the Spaniards stole the land from more than the Mayans... and it was the Incans and Aztecs that had empires toppled... the Mayans were well in decline by that point and were nothing more than various scattered tribes... Anything else you want to try and get me on and sound cool about or was that it?
 
People have been fighting over land ever since Og conked Grog over the head and took his cave. How do we ever go back to the idea of "giving back" land that was taken years ago? The borders are what they are because the winners of the wars drew them that way. No way is the US going to give back the southwest to Mexico, or to the Aztecs, or Mayans, or anyone else. If we did, the Mexican government would just screw it up, and the Mexican peasants would have to go farther north to cross the border. If the Mexicans or Mexican Americans think they want to be subjects of the government in Mexico City, they need their collective heads examined. Our government is pretty bad, but it is still one of the best in the world.

....but you were wrong about how many Mexicans there were, so chances are you are most likely wrong about Og and Grog too...
 
....but you were wrong about how many Mexicans there were, so chances are you are most likely wrong about Og and Grog too...

Well, it could have been Sug and Pug. That was a long time ago, and there were no written records, after all.
 
I am not talking about Mexicans, I am asking a question. Fail.

If you want to get into it though, there are three types of Mexicans (Latinos), Peninsulara's, Mestizo's and the non-mixed native tribal locals. And the Spaniards stole the land from more than the Mayans... and it was the Incans and Aztecs that had empires toppled... the Mayans were well in decline by that point and were nothing more than various scattered tribes... Anything else you want to try and get me on and sound cool about or was that it?

Fail yourself (way to latch on to a tired and overused cliche). I didnt say you asked a question, I asked you who were these mehicans that wanted 'their' land back.

Point is obvious. You CANT point to ANY country that wasnt formed by conquest and it would be stupid of you to try to do so. Your post shows you know that. Now lets see you try anyway.
 
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There is a 2002 poll.

Zogby Sound Bites!
'Aztlan': A Warped Vision Of History
Jack Ward, SierraTimes.com
(12/31/2002)

As the US began to grow, immigrants started flowing into this new land of opportunity. Immigrants from Europe and Asia made up the majority of the newcomers. Thousands of miles of ocean separated the newcomers from their old homeland. The remoteness from their roots made it a little easier to 'cut the ties' from the homeland and assimilate into a new 'American' culture. For the last several decades immigration (illegal and legal) from Mexico has increased significantly and is now a major source of immigrants. But the closeness of Mexico made the acceptance of the American culture a lower priority than in the past. In many cases crossing the US-Mexican border is as easy as moving from state to state. In less than a days drive, someone can leave anywhere in the southwest and be in Mexico. The closeness of ones homeland makes acceptance of their new homeland less critical.

Most of those that emigrated from Mexico became naturalized US citizens and have become productive citizens. Unfortunately, some embittered intellectuals (on both sides of the border) have advocated that most of the southwest US belongs to Mexico. As a result they also believe that there should be no border control between Mexico and the US. Their rantings have convinced many that the southwest US belongs to Mexico. This view is reflected in a recent Zogby poll. The poll revealed that 58% of Mexicans believe that the southwest US belongs to Mexico. That probably explains why 60% of Mexicans also believe there should be no border control.

One of the promoters of this idea is Professor Charles Truxillo, instructor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico (UNM) and self-described disciple of Chicano-Marxist terrorist Reies Lopez Tijerina.
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http://www.illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm
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Under the euphuism 'Hispanic Homeland' and 'Nation of Aztlan,' activists from numerous organizations including Mexican American Legal Defense and La Raza (The Race) activists are attempting to annex large portions of SW United States to Mexico. "Republica del Norte," the Republic of the North, which would include the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado, along with several current Mexican states, is "an inevitability" says Charles Truxillo, professor, University of New Mexico. He further states the new "Hispanic Homeland" should be brought into being "by any means necessary."
The Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), the National Council of La Raza (NCLR), Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA), and the National Immigration Forum (NIF) whose names imply grassroots organizations reflecting the will of American Hispanics, do not represent mainstream American Hispanic opinion. Rather, they speak only in their own best interests, favoring the mass immigration that gives them more constituents they can then profess to represent. Polls show that Hispanic-Americans, like all Americans, support stronger enforcement of our immigration laws.
A 'Hispanic Homeland' could be written off as the work of extremists were it not for wide-spread support by Mexicans. A June 2002 Zogby poll of Mexicans found that a substantial majority of Mexican citizens believe that southwestern America is rightfully the territory of Mexico and that Mexicans do not need the permission of the U.S. to enter. The poll, a people search of appropriate persons, found that 58% of Mexicans agree with the statement, "The territory of the United States' southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." Zogby said 28% disagreed, while another 14% said they weren't sure.
 
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Well, it could have been Sug and Pug. That was a long time ago, and there were no written records, after all.

But again, you were wrong about the number or Mexicans... *shrugs*
 
Fail yourself (way to latch on to a tired and overused cliche). I didnt say you asked a question, I asked you who were these mehicans that wanted 'their' land back.

Point is obvious. You CANT point to ANY country that wasnt formed by conquest and it would be stupid of you to try to do so. Your post shows you know that. Now lets see you try anyway.

Well, when you fail you fail... and since I am not talking about ANY Mexicans wanting land back, it is pretty obvious.

You know, for one to point out a tired and overused cliche, to end your post with one certainly is telling about your state of mind.
 
Well, when you fail you fail... and since I am not talking about ANY Mexicans wanting land back, it is pretty obvious.

You know, for one to point out a tired and overused cliche, to end your post with one certainly is telling about your state of mind.

Its sad that you think that was a snappy comment and witty retort.

Point still stands.
 
I can't be bothered to look up links, but Aztlan and MEChA are two rather radical hispanic groups that believe the American southwest should be annexed by Mexico, through force. At the moment they're just talking the talk. The entire Mexican army couldn't occupy the American southwest, so I doubt a couple of hate-filled splinter groups can manage it.

But the answer to the poll is, yes, some Mexicans want "their" land back. Only it's ours now, so fat chance.

And there's nothing racist about asking the question, nor is there anything racist about answering the question honestly.

You left out an important part of the phase.

"some Mexicans living in the US want "their" land back"

I have lived in Mexico for quite a while now and have never heard any word on this at all.

You do hear it from Mexicans living in the US that have nothing better to do than stir the ****.

The average Mexican doesn't care about the land.

If you hear a rep from one of those groups say he wants the land back, you can count him and maybe 5 people he has talked to but the average mexican can see that for what it is.

After all rediculousness is not a Mexican trait.
 
Try 'thinksing' that I didnt give enough of a **** to cite the exact lineage but you can bet mehico was not once and always a sovereign country peopled by only mehicans. Better?

Well,,, before citing history, perhaps you should know what you are talking about first...
 
Well,,, before citing history, perhaps you should know what you are talking about first...

Wait...so the indiginous people of mehico really ARE the people that allegedly may or may not want 'their' land back??? Who frekin knew! And...just who are they exactly? You know...the ones who reside there that were NOT a product of some form of conquest. Come on history guy...this should be a breeze!
 
Wait...so the indiginous people of mehico really ARE the people that allegedly may or may not want 'their' land back??? Who frekin knew! And...just who are they exactly? You know...the ones who reside there that were NOT a product of some form of conquest. Come on history guy...this should be a breeze!

It isn't quite so simple as that... Most modern-day Mexicans claim descent from the indigenous peoples of Mexico (of whom the Mayas were only a relatively minor group restricted to the Yucatan and the borderlands of Guatemala by the time the Spaniards conquered the region in the early 16th century). The vast majority of Mexicans are mestizos (those of mixed blood) as well as full-blooded natives (which aren't nearly as numerous, though there are people who claim to be full-blooded who are in actuality Mestizos). There were two groups of Spaniards in the early 19th century when Mexico gained independence. There were creoles (Europeans born in the Spanish colonies -- and generally were not trusted by the Spanish government) and the Peninsulares (people born in Spain and trusted with most high-level governmental posts.)

The original revolution (which failed) against Spain -- and the one that is celebrated by Mexicans as their independence day -- was led by mestizos, but the one that actually succeeded was led by a creole. (though don't tell that to most Mexicans as those I have talked about this with find that historical fact mildly offensive).
 
It isn't quite so simple as that... Most modern-day Mexicans claim descent from the indigenous peoples of Mexico (of whom the Mayas were only a relatively minor group restricted to the Yucatan and the borderlands of Guatemala by the time the Spaniards conquered the region in the early 16th century). The vast majority of Mexicans are mestizos (those of mixed blood) as well as full-blooded natives (which aren't nearly as numerous, though there are people who claim to be full-blooded who are in actuality Mestizos). There were two groups of Spaniards in the early 19th century when Mexico gained independence. There were creoles (Europeans born in the Spanish colonies -- and generally were not trusted by the Spanish government) and the Peninsulares (people born in Spain and trusted with most high-level governmental posts.)

The original revolution (which failed) against Spain -- and the one that is celebrated by Mexicans as their independence day -- was led by mestizos, but the one that actually succeeded was led by a creole. (though don't tell that to most Mexicans as those I have talked about this with find that historical fact mildly offensive).

Holy bat**** insanity. Thanks for making my point.
 
Holy bat**** insanity. Thanks for making my point.

I wasn't disagreeing or agreeing with anything you said... I was only pointing out your historical inaccuracy...

For the record... most Mexicans also don't want to admit this, but most of the Aztecs neighbors HELPED the Spaniards topple them because the Aztecs were such a bloody, brutal society to its conquered neighbors. For most tribes in the Valley of Mexico vicinty, the Spaniards were a Godsend...

Now, does anyone actually know the origin of the name Mexico? (without looking it up on Wikipedia or other website, of course)

ALso, perhaps the Mexicans need to be reminded of who Winfield Scott is...
 
I wasn't disagreeing or agreeing with anything you said... I was only pointing out your historical inaccuracy...

For the record... most Mexicans also don't want to admit this, but most of the Aztecs neighbors HELPED the Spaniards topple them because the Aztecs were such a bloody, brutal society to its conquered neighbors. For most tribes in the Valley of Mexico vicinty, the Spaniards were a Godsend...

Now, does anyone actually know the origin of the name Mexico? (without looking it up on Wikipedia or other website, of course)

ALso, perhaps the Mexicans need to be reminded of who Winfield Scott is...

I wasnt presenting a historical lineage of the people of mehico. I get that you are. My point is simply that for anyone to claim that ANYONE has a 'right' to get 'their' land back is simply foolish. Where does it stop? Which aboriginal tribes owe reparations to which tribes? Countries (including mehico) were formed through conquest.
 
You left out an important part of the phase.

"some Mexicans living in the US want "their" land back"

I have lived in Mexico for quite a while now and have never heard any word on this at all.

You do hear it from Mexicans living in the US that have nothing better to do than stir the ****.

The average Mexican doesn't care about the land.

If you hear a rep from one of those groups say he wants the land back, you can count him and maybe 5 people he has talked to but the average mexican can see that for what it is.

After all rediculousness is not a Mexican trait.

Thank you for clarifying this. I sincerely appreciate your point of view on how the average Mexican living in Mexico feels. With all the heartache your country is suffering now, I imagine conquering foreign lands is pretty low on its agenda. Be safe.
 
I just did it to make you happy. I see it worked.

I am not sure how this makes sense... if it is an attempt to be clever it is pretty pathetic though, and Dianna thanked you? Not sure what is worse...

Originally Posted by VanceMack
Its sad that you think that was a snappy comment and witty retort.

Point still stands.

Oh brother... dude, you suck. Your assertion was incorrect and you are compounding that stupidity by making assumptions about what I am thinking. Anything else or is this the best you got?

Between the two of you we are seeing the combined intelligence of a large blind squirrel.
 
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