View Poll Results: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

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  • Yes! Most all of Mexicans want to take back their land

    3 6.82%
  • Yes! Some mexicans still want back the land they lost

    13 29.55%
  • No! Very few mexicans want back the land they lost

    9 20.45%
  • No! None of them want the land they lost to the US back

    1 2.27%
  • OTHER / I dont know / Chimichanga

    18 40.91%
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    You are assuming that. And I think your assumption is incorrect.
    What anti-immigration laws has the US created specifically against Canadians?
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What anti-immigration laws has the US created specifically against Canadians?
    Is there suddenly a problem with Canadians illegally immigrating to the U.S.? If there were some, wouldn't they fall under the same anti-immigration laws as everyone else? Are there any Canadians calling for the Ohio Valley and northern Maine to revert back to Canada? Didn't think so. Nice strawman, but get back on topic...
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Is there suddenly a problem with Canadians illegally immigrating to the U.S.? If there were some, wouldn't they fall under the same anti-immigration laws as everyone else? Are there any Canadians calling for the Ohio Valley and northern Maine to revert back to Canada? Didn't think so. Nice strawman, but get back on topic...
    Your post is the only straw man there is. You're saying that the one reason we're so anti-Mexican has anything to do with a fringe minority asking for some territory back or some perceived problem. The overwhelming majority of Mexicans aren't even in the Chicano movement or remotely interested in border politics. If anything Mexican immigration to this country allows it to exist. They do a hard day's work for 5 dollars an hour while millions of Americans would rather be on welfare. They clean floors for a pittance and accept that they'll be taxed for services they're not going to benefit from. Sorry, your 'Mexican problem' is the only straw man here.

    And your comment on immigration laws is bull**** too. The US has a history of creating different immigration policies for different groups. As an example, republicans in the early 1900s tried passing anti-Italian immigration laws in addition to already existing laws. Irish Catholics during the 1830s were ostracized by our society whether they came here legally or not. ****, just look at Cubans and Haitians today. Cubans are allowed to get in due to the wet feet dry feet rule, Haitians are sent back. No ludahai, you have no idea what it is you're talking about. The arbitrary way in which this policy is drawn allows us to call some groups a problem while welcoming others.
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is a very clear cut rejection of the Mexican people but not to Mexican culture in America. We have appropriated their culture, their holidays and parts of their land but have told them that they can't come over to our country. This would seem highly confusing to most people and it's very interesting phenomenon which hasn't really been studied in academia.

    The United States has never created anti-Canadian immigration laws or laws bent against the migration of Canadians whether this migration is made legally or illegally. So why the discrepancy when it comes to Mexican? Well this could be for various reasons and I'm convinced it is a mixture of them. The first is that the US as a country has historically been anti-immigration regardless of where that migration is coming from. The second is that there is a protestant xenophobic attitude towards the Catholic mestizos down south. The third is that if were actually to embrace Mexican immigration we'd then be left without a negative factor in our society. If we were to make them into tax paying citizens of this country, which many of them want to be, we could no longer blame our problems on them. We'd have to find a new group to blame it all on.

    What is certain is that the 'give us your poor' axiom was just that, an axiom. It was never meant to include the poor from Mexico or the poor from Italy or the poor from Ireland. It was only meant for certain types of poor.
    This post makes absolutely no sense. The USA has one set of immigration laws that applies to all immigration, regardless of the country of origin. The country that provides the largest single number of legal immigrants is indeed Mexico, which provides twice the number of legal immigrants as the next largest country of origin, India.

    I don't understand why you're trying to use some fabricated "Canadian immigration" sillyness to create the appearance of institutionalized racisim in our immigration laws. Since we take more legal immigrants from Mexico than any other country, including Canada, that is clearly untrue.

    BTW, every other country on the planet has its own immigration laws, laws that they seem able to enforce without being called xenophobic or racist. I'm smelling the smoke from a flame bait here. Let's put some water on that baby before it spreads.

    This is from a few years back, but I suspect the numbers are still fairly close to the same: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/pubs/...eet_102904.pdf
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your post is the only straw man there is. You're saying that the one reason we're so anti-Mexican has anything to do with a fringe minority asking for some territory back or some perceived problem. The overwhelming majority of Mexicans aren't even in the Chicano movement or remotely interested in border politics. If anything Mexican immigration to this country allows it to exist. They do a hard day's work for 5 dollars an hour while millions of Americans would rather be on welfare. They clean floors for a pittance and accept that they'll be taxed for services they're not going to benefit from. Sorry, your 'Mexican problem' is the only straw man here.
    Sorry to interject, the main reason we are against the illegal immagration of Mexicans is because it is illegal. America is a nation of laws more so than most others. And you mention about lazy Americans on Welfare rejecting "5 dollar/hr" jobs. Well if the welfare benefits are more than 5 dollars that can be something to do with it. And those jobs might be a little more if it weren't for the illegal immigration artificially lowering what would be a better prevailing wage. As for being taxed for benefits they do not receive, that would be a good topic for another thread. On the whole it is a net loss given they do use such things as Emergency Rooms, get to keep SS benefits when found out at least.

    And your comment on immigration laws is bull**** too. The US has a history of creating different immigration policies for different groups. As an example, republicans in the early 1900s tried passing anti-Italian immigration laws in addition to already existing laws. Irish Catholics during the 1830s were ostracized by our society whether they came here legally or not. ****, just look at Cubans and Haitians today. Cubans are allowed to get in due to the wet feet dry feet rule, Haitians are sent back. No ludahai, you have no idea what it is you're talking about. The arbitrary way in which this policy is drawn allows us to call some groups a problem while welcoming others.
    I have no problem in having different immigration policies for different nations at least. (We could benefit from not having any immigration from countries steeped in terrorism for example.) I cannot speak for ludahai, of course, but the issue of this thread is not immigration in general but for the Reconquesta of some of the USA in particular. So the policies of immigration with respect of Mexcio are of importance. It is my belief that both political parties in the USA have refused to uphold the rule of law with respect to the immigration policy and have purposefully undermined it also to the deference of the Mexican illegal immigrants (tho it does include for all nations in Latin and South America.)
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    I was going to respond to Hatuey's senseless ramblings, but the above two posts answered everything pretty well...
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your post is the only straw man there is. You're saying that the one reason we're so anti-Mexican has anything to do with a fringe minority asking for some territory back or some perceived problem. The overwhelming majority of Mexicans aren't even in the Chicano movement or remotely interested in border politics. If anything Mexican immigration to this country allows it to exist. They do a hard day's work for 5 dollars an hour while millions of Americans would rather be on welfare. They clean floors for a pittance and accept that they'll be taxed for services they're not going to benefit from. Sorry, your 'Mexican problem' is the only straw man here.

    And your comment on immigration laws is bull**** too. The US has a history of creating different immigration policies for different groups. As an example, republicans in the early 1900s tried passing anti-Italian immigration laws in addition to already existing laws. Irish Catholics during the 1830s were ostracized by our society whether they came here legally or not. ****, just look at Cubans and Haitians today. Cubans are allowed to get in due to the wet feet dry feet rule, Haitians are sent back. No ludahai, you have no idea what it is you're talking about. The arbitrary way in which this policy is drawn allows us to call some groups a problem while welcoming others.
    You tried that crap in another thread and it failed just as miserably there. People are not anti-mexican, nor ant-immigration. I posted the numbers showing ever increasing LEGAL immigration trends. No one is asking for that to cease or be reduced and you know it. The problem is not mexicans...the problem is ILLEGAL immigrants. We dont have to have 'special' laws for mexicans or Canadians...we simply need to enforce the ones in place. At present time, we dont appear to have 20-430 million illegal Canadians pouring over our borders.

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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What anti-immigration laws has the US created specifically against Canadians?
    The same ones that exist for Mexicans. Have you ever looked at Canada's immigration laws?

    BTW, are there 30 million illegal Canadians in the US?
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The same ones that exist for Mexicans. Have you ever looked at Canada's immigration laws?

    BTW, are there 30 million illegal Canadians in the US?
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The womb is more poweful than the sword.
    No truer words.
    Now, how do we combat this ?
    Easy, just make them rich and soft, like us....lol

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