View Poll Results: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

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  • Yes! Most all of Mexicans want to take back their land

    3 6.82%
  • Yes! Some mexicans still want back the land they lost

    13 29.55%
  • No! Very few mexicans want back the land they lost

    9 20.45%
  • No! None of them want the land they lost to the US back

    1 2.27%
  • OTHER / I dont know / Chimichanga

    18 40.91%
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not talking about Mexicans, I am asking a question. Fail.

    If you want to get into it though, there are three types of Mexicans (Latinos), Peninsulara's, Mestizo's and the non-mixed native tribal locals. And the Spaniards stole the land from more than the Mayans... and it was the Incans and Aztecs that had empires toppled... the Mayans were well in decline by that point and were nothing more than various scattered tribes... Anything else you want to try and get me on and sound cool about or was that it?
    Fail yourself (way to latch on to a tired and overused cliche). I didnt say you asked a question, I asked you who were these mehicans that wanted 'their' land back.

    Point is obvious. You CANT point to ANY country that wasnt formed by conquest and it would be stupid of you to try to do so. Your post shows you know that. Now lets see you try anyway.
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    There is a 2002 poll.

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    'Aztlan': A Warped Vision Of History
    Jack Ward, SierraTimes.com
    (12/31/2002)

    As the US began to grow, immigrants started flowing into this new land of opportunity. Immigrants from Europe and Asia made up the majority of the newcomers. Thousands of miles of ocean separated the newcomers from their old homeland. The remoteness from their roots made it a little easier to 'cut the ties' from the homeland and assimilate into a new 'American' culture. For the last several decades immigration (illegal and legal) from Mexico has increased significantly and is now a major source of immigrants. But the closeness of Mexico made the acceptance of the American culture a lower priority than in the past. In many cases crossing the US-Mexican border is as easy as moving from state to state. In less than a days drive, someone can leave anywhere in the southwest and be in Mexico. The closeness of ones homeland makes acceptance of their new homeland less critical.

    Most of those that emigrated from Mexico became naturalized US citizens and have become productive citizens. Unfortunately, some embittered intellectuals (on both sides of the border) have advocated that most of the southwest US belongs to Mexico. As a result they also believe that there should be no border control between Mexico and the US. Their rantings have convinced many that the southwest US belongs to Mexico. This view is reflected in a recent Zogby poll. The poll revealed that 58% of Mexicans believe that the southwest US belongs to Mexico. That probably explains why 60% of Mexicans also believe there should be no border control.

    One of the promoters of this idea is Professor Charles Truxillo, instructor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico (UNM) and self-described disciple of Chicano-Marxist terrorist Reies Lopez Tijerina.
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    Under the euphuism 'Hispanic Homeland' and 'Nation of Aztlan,' activists from numerous organizations including Mexican American Legal Defense and La Raza (The Race) activists are attempting to annex large portions of SW United States to Mexico. "Republica del Norte," the Republic of the North, which would include the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado, along with several current Mexican states, is "an inevitability" says Charles Truxillo, professor, University of New Mexico. He further states the new "Hispanic Homeland" should be brought into being "by any means necessary."
    The Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), the National Council of La Raza (NCLR), Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA), and the National Immigration Forum (NIF) whose names imply grassroots organizations reflecting the will of American Hispanics, do not represent mainstream American Hispanic opinion. Rather, they speak only in their own best interests, favoring the mass immigration that gives them more constituents they can then profess to represent. Polls show that Hispanic-Americans, like all Americans, support stronger enforcement of our immigration laws.
    A 'Hispanic Homeland' could be written off as the work of extremists were it not for wide-spread support by Mexicans. A June 2002 Zogby poll of Mexicans found that a substantial majority of Mexican citizens believe that southwestern America is rightfully the territory of Mexico and that Mexicans do not need the permission of the U.S. to enter. The poll, a people search of appropriate persons, found that 58% of Mexicans agree with the statement, "The territory of the United States' southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." Zogby said 28% disagreed, while another 14% said they weren't sure.
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Well, it could have been Sug and Pug. That was a long time ago, and there were no written records, after all.
    But again, you were wrong about the number or Mexicans... *shrugs*
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Fail yourself (way to latch on to a tired and overused cliche). I didnt say you asked a question, I asked you who were these mehicans that wanted 'their' land back.

    Point is obvious. You CANT point to ANY country that wasnt formed by conquest and it would be stupid of you to try to do so. Your post shows you know that. Now lets see you try anyway.
    Well, when you fail you fail... and since I am not talking about ANY Mexicans wanting land back, it is pretty obvious.

    You know, for one to point out a tired and overused cliche, to end your post with one certainly is telling about your state of mind.
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    But again, you were wrong about the number or Mexicans... *shrugs*
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Well, when you fail you fail... and since I am not talking about ANY Mexicans wanting land back, it is pretty obvious.

    You know, for one to point out a tired and overused cliche, to end your post with one certainly is telling about your state of mind.
    Its sad that you think that was a snappy comment and witty retort.

    Point still stands.

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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I can't be bothered to look up links, but Aztlan and MEChA are two rather radical hispanic groups that believe the American southwest should be annexed by Mexico, through force. At the moment they're just talking the talk. The entire Mexican army couldn't occupy the American southwest, so I doubt a couple of hate-filled splinter groups can manage it.

    But the answer to the poll is, yes, some Mexicans want "their" land back. Only it's ours now, so fat chance.

    And there's nothing racist about asking the question, nor is there anything racist about answering the question honestly.
    You left out an important part of the phase.

    "some Mexicans living in the US want "their" land back"

    I have lived in Mexico for quite a while now and have never heard any word on this at all.

    You do hear it from Mexicans living in the US that have nothing better to do than stir the ****.

    The average Mexican doesn't care about the land.

    If you hear a rep from one of those groups say he wants the land back, you can count him and maybe 5 people he has talked to but the average mexican can see that for what it is.

    After all rediculousness is not a Mexican trait.

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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Try 'thinksing' that I didnt give enough of a **** to cite the exact lineage but you can bet mehico was not once and always a sovereign country peopled by only mehicans. Better?
    Well,,, before citing history, perhaps you should know what you are talking about first...
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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Well,,, before citing history, perhaps you should know what you are talking about first...
    Wait...so the indiginous people of mehico really ARE the people that allegedly may or may not want 'their' land back??? Who frekin knew! And...just who are they exactly? You know...the ones who reside there that were NOT a product of some form of conquest. Come on history guy...this should be a breeze!

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    Re: Do Mexicans want their Land Back?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wait...so the indiginous people of mehico really ARE the people that allegedly may or may not want 'their' land back??? Who frekin knew! And...just who are they exactly? You know...the ones who reside there that were NOT a product of some form of conquest. Come on history guy...this should be a breeze!
    It isn't quite so simple as that... Most modern-day Mexicans claim descent from the indigenous peoples of Mexico (of whom the Mayas were only a relatively minor group restricted to the Yucatan and the borderlands of Guatemala by the time the Spaniards conquered the region in the early 16th century). The vast majority of Mexicans are mestizos (those of mixed blood) as well as full-blooded natives (which aren't nearly as numerous, though there are people who claim to be full-blooded who are in actuality Mestizos). There were two groups of Spaniards in the early 19th century when Mexico gained independence. There were creoles (Europeans born in the Spanish colonies -- and generally were not trusted by the Spanish government) and the Peninsulares (people born in Spain and trusted with most high-level governmental posts.)

    The original revolution (which failed) against Spain -- and the one that is celebrated by Mexicans as their independence day -- was led by mestizos, but the one that actually succeeded was led by a creole. (though don't tell that to most Mexicans as those I have talked about this with find that historical fact mildly offensive).
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