How do you leave it out of the discussion when one side's entire argument is based upon it?If you don't mind, may we please leave religion out of the discussion?
a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group, whether dwelling together or not: the traditional family.
I don't necessarily believe that marriage *promotes* family. Marriage is just a legal contract in its most simplistic definition.
My stating where my views came from didn't enter the thread until sometime later.
I was enjoying having a secular conversation, but it seems that pro-ssm has to always drag God into everything.
Last edited by Jerry; 02-21-11 at 11:42 PM.
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I left out those definitions from science because I figured that we were talking about the sociological definition, not the biological one. The biological family would be the family in "kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species".fam·i·ly (fm-l, fml)
n. pl. fam·i·lies
a. A fundamental social group in society typically consisting of one or two parents and their children.
b. Two or more people who share goals and values, have long-term commitments to one another, and reside usually in the same dwelling place.
2. All the members of a household under one roof.
3. A group of persons sharing common ancestry. See Usage Note at collective noun.
4. Lineage, especially distinguished lineage.
"A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.
Yes it does. Any two people can build a loving environment to raise children. They don't have to be opposite sex. Hell they don't even have to be lover's themselves. Two brothers or two sisters could promote family. For sake of this discussion though I'll stick to homo vs hetero couples.
A number of studies have been done (including last years Cambridge study) that show there is no psychological, physical, emotional, educational, or social difference between children raised by homosexual vs heterosexual couples.
"Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."
- Warren Buffett
did you honestly think that was going to work?
and now are you trying to CHANGE your argument?
FIRST: your definition is NOT the only and full definition, nice try but a failure. Fact is parents and cilldren do NOT have to make up a family at all nor do you need the term TRADITIONAL in front of family when talking about marriage, its exactly what I mentioned perfer, its a deflection.
the REAL definitions:
Definition of FAMILY
: a group of individuals living under one roof and usually under one head : household
a : a group of persons of common ancestry : clan b : a people or group of peoples regarded as deriving from a common stock : race
a : a group of people united by certain convictions or a common affiliation : fellowship b : the staff of a high official (as the President)
: a group of things related by common characteristics: as a : a closely related series of elements or chemical compounds b : a group of soils with similar chemical and physical properties (as texture, pH, and mineral content) that comprise a category ranking above the series and below the subgroup in soil classification c : a group of related languages descended from a single ancestral language
a : the basic unit in society traditionally consisting of two parents rearing their children; also : any of various social units differing from but regarded as equivalent to the traditional family <a single-parent family> b : spouse and children <want to spend more time with my family>
SECOND: your original statment was about same sex marriage vs straight marriage and your argument was that SSM could not be a TRUE family because of biological off spring and that is wrong. If you are now CHANGING your argument to NO marriage promotes family then thats fine but you can not seperate the two. Let me know where you mispoke.