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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    If someone rose from the dead ANYTHING is possible....is it not?

    Don't think I was asking you...but whatever

    A God that raises folks from the dead hasn't any limitations except those "He" sets for himself
    What does this have to do with gay marriage promoting the family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What does this have to do with gay marriage promoting the family?
    God is an irresponsible single parent who has no business telling people who to marry or how to raise their kids. It should be pretty damn clear that if you send your only son to die on your behalf that you have some issues. Taking it further, assuming that every person who is alive is one of God's children, then you only need to look at the human condition of our little family here on Earth and see all the suffering we put each other through while our absent father figure hides away. God should have had CPS called on his ass eons ago for abandonment or neglect.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    God is an irresponsible single parent who has no business telling people who to marry or how to raise their kids. It should be pretty damn clear that if you send your only son to die on your behalf that you have some issues. Taking it further, assuming that every person who is alive is one of God's children, then you only need to look at the human condition of our little family here on Earth and see all the suffering we put each other through while our absent father figure hides away. God should have had CPS called on his ass eons ago for abandonment or neglect.
    OK...that's fine...we were all having a wonderful secular discussion on gay marriage until pro-SSM brought religion and the bible into it.

    If you don't mind, may we please leave religion out of the discussion?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    OK...that's fine...we were all having a wonderful secular discussion on gay marriage until pro-SSM brought religion and the bible into it.
    To refresh your memory, you were the one who brought it into this thread when you said that you get your position on same sex marriage from scripture.

    If you don't mind, may we please leave religion out of the discussion?
    How do you leave it out of the discussion when one side's entire argument is based upon it?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    What does that have to do with family?

    Whats a "true" family?

    While I agree that family is subjective and only the people involved can decide Im always confused why people have to invent things and use pre-fixes or add adjectives to family to try and change the question.

    If you think marriage promotes family then ALL marriage does, cant separate the two without being dishonest or illogical IMO.

    And if we just go by the definition of the word family, biological off-spring has nothing to do with the term at all.
    Definition of family:

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    a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group, whether dwelling together or not: the traditional family.

    I don't necessarily believe that marriage *promotes* family. Marriage is just a legal contract in its most simplistic definition.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    To refresh your memory, you were the one who brought it into this thread when you said that you get your position on same sex marriage from scripture.
    It was YourStar's post 124 which first brought 'the church' into this thread. My post 127 claimed that I didn't need a church and asked why she thought she needed one. Then Andalublue post 128 asked me why I eventually wanted a religious ceremony.

    My stating where my views came from didn't enter the thread until sometime later.
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    How do you leave it out of the discussion when one side's entire argument is based upon it?
    No part of my anti-SSM argument had to do with religion.

    I was enjoying having a secular conversation, but it seems that pro-ssm has to always drag God into everything.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-22-11 at 12:42 AM.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I was enjoying having a secular conversation, but it seems that pro-ssm has to always drag God into everything.
    What are your "secular" arguments against same sex marriage?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by dadrone View Post
    Definition of family:

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    a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group, whether dwelling together or not: the traditional family.

    I don't necessarily believe that marriage *promotes* family. Marriage is just a legal contract in its most simplistic definition.
    Maybe you should try all the definitions of family, instead of just the one that fits with your point of view.

    family - definition of family by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    fam·i·ly (fm-l, fml)
    n. pl. fam·i·lies
    1.
    a. A fundamental social group in society typically consisting of one or two parents and their children.
    b. Two or more people who share goals and values, have long-term commitments to one another, and reside usually in the same dwelling place.
    2. All the members of a household under one roof.
    3. A group of persons sharing common ancestry. See Usage Note at collective noun.
    4. Lineage, especially distinguished lineage.
    I left out those definitions from science because I figured that we were talking about the sociological definition, not the biological one. The biological family would be the family in "kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species".
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Yes it does. Any two people can build a loving environment to raise children. They don't have to be opposite sex. Hell they don't even have to be lover's themselves. Two brothers or two sisters could promote family. For sake of this discussion though I'll stick to homo vs hetero couples.

    A number of studies have been done (including last years Cambridge study) that show there is no psychological, physical, emotional, educational, or social difference between children raised by homosexual vs heterosexual couples.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by dadrone View Post
    Definition of family:

    a.
    a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group, whether dwelling together or not: the traditional family.

    I don't necessarily believe that marriage *promotes* family. Marriage is just a legal contract in its most simplistic definition.

    LMAO
    did you honestly think that was going to work?
    and now are you trying to CHANGE your argument?

    2 things

    FIRST: your definition is NOT the only and full definition, nice try but a failure. Fact is parents and cilldren do NOT have to make up a family at all nor do you need the term TRADITIONAL in front of family when talking about marriage, its exactly what I mentioned perfer, its a deflection.

    the REAL definitions:

    Definition of FAMILY

    1
    : a group of individuals living under one roof and usually under one head : household

    2
    a : a group of persons of common ancestry : clan b : a people or group of peoples regarded as deriving from a common stock : race

    3
    a : a group of people united by certain convictions or a common affiliation : fellowship b : the staff of a high official (as the President)

    4
    : a group of things related by common characteristics: as a : a closely related series of elements or chemical compounds b : a group of soils with similar chemical and physical properties (as texture, pH, and mineral content) that comprise a category ranking above the series and below the subgroup in soil classification c : a group of related languages descended from a single ancestral language

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    a : the basic unit in society traditionally consisting of two parents rearing their children; also : any of various social units differing from but regarded as equivalent to the traditional family <a single-parent family> b : spouse and children <want to spend more time with my family>

    SECOND: your original statment was about same sex marriage vs straight marriage and your argument was that SSM could not be a TRUE family because of biological off spring and that is wrong. If you are now CHANGING your argument to NO marriage promotes family then thats fine but you can not seperate the two. Let me know where you mispoke.
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