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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Christian = One who believes Christ is his savior and the son of God. That's it.

    There are 33,820 different sects of Christianity. So who decides this base line?


    The baseline is mainstream "Christianity". Relativity is for the weak minded.

    This is absolute hogwash. If this were the case, Christians again would not have 33,820 different sects. Actually that number is old. By now it may have even doubled.

    No hogwash about it, if it isn't God's "Word" it is meaningless.

    I believe it is. Told from the perspective of each different author. 66+ different people wrote the Bible, it was not originally one book.

    You assertions thus far are pretty un-historical or accurate.


    If it is, it ALL is or none of it is....and my claims are basic tenets of "mainstream" Christianity, you are simply wrong.

    Your opinion is duly noted even if it means little.

    You do know your dismissal means nothing to anyone but you?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Fair enough, but that version has many quotes from Jesus about Satan, none of them making him out to be anything an entity to be reckoned with.

    Now as for me, I practice no religion.... I do however have some knowledge.

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    To be fair, I said the NIV was the one I could read and understand as I don't get old English at all.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Fair enough, but that version has many quotes from Jesus about Satan, none of them making him out to be anything an entity to be reckoned with.

    Now as for me, I practice no religion.... I do however have some knowledge.
    As someone 'of the book', I place a high value on authoritative scripture and defer to it principally. However, I don't limit myself to those texts alone.

    I know that I read the Word of God in translation and I know that Hebrew doesn't translate very well at all into English. Knowing this, I can't take the bible literally at every instance. Also, if I were reading the original scripture there are several ways to interpret any given line as such is the nature of Hebrew itself regardless of the text. You could interpret Moby Dick in many different ways were it written in Hebrew.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Nothing false about it, try again.
    Just to help you out a bit, coz you're new and all.

    A false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, fallacy of false choice, black and white thinking or the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses) is a type of logical fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are additional options.

    Link: False dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    The baseline is mainstream "Christianity". Relativity is for the weak minded.
    My statement IS the essence and definition of what a Christian is. You can ignore it and come up with a fake base line based on your opinion, but it does not stand up to the fact I presented.

    My statement has nothing at all to do with relativity or weakness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    No hogwash about it, if it isn't God's "Word" it is meaningless.
    It is God's word, explained in human terms by humans. God does not make us little robots or use us that way. The simple story of Jonah and the whale among many others should make this abundantly clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    If it is, it ALL is or none of it is....and my claims are basic tenets of "mainstream" Christianity, you are simply wrong.
    No. Your statements are not in any way Tennant's of anything. You dismiss the basic understating of even what it is to be a Christian, and then make up a baseline unsupported by Allot of Christian doctrine.

    Then you offer nothing and just say it's "wrong?"

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    You do know your dismissal means nothing to anyone but you?
    You are correct that my dismissal means little. On the other hand the facts I presented are correct.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ok, I see the disconnect now. I wasn't intending to compare unmarried homosexuals to married heterosexuals, but reading back I see how you might have made that inference. That said, comparing unmarried homosexuals to unmarried heterosexuals is valid in terms of frequency of separation, partners etc.. Likewise, (and what I was meaning to say earlier) there have been many reports by gay advocates, such as Andrew Sullivan, et al, who claim that gay marriage will do absolutely nothing to curb homosexual infidelity. The infidelity will still be there, (although presumably to some degree less) regardless of marriage. This is the point I was trying to make regarding averagehomosexual culture, and lifestyle, compared to average heterosexual culture, and virtue.

    Now, if you want to ignore the data on the number of partners homosexuals have compared to their heterosexual counterparts, and the alcohol, and drug abuse, domestic violence etc.. Then I'd be curious to see your sources, but even among the gay members here, these numbers are staggeringly lopsided as a percentage of incidence. Giving this axiom, one might conclude that homosexual marriage will do nothing to promote family in the macro, and in fact might serve to bring the macro of marriage down for everyone..

    I see no reason not to believe this.


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    Ok... I thought that the disconnect seemed a little extreme. All clear now...

    Now that we are back on the same page regarding unmarried homosexual and heterosexual partnerships that end, as well as alcohol and such, I will look up some studies when I can and see what I can see. From what I have personally seen, I would say that homosexuals are no more likely to be alcoholics or any other negative thing than heterosexuals. Having an alcoholic grandmother and a dead alcoholic drug addict uncle and knowing other heterosexuals that are the same, and having known many pretty normal and healthy homosexuals leads me to believe that the numbers probably aren't that off. Probably literally every time I watch "cops" or any other cop show, the alcoholic abusive party animals or criminals are heterosexual just based off of having girlfriends, wives and female partners in or involved in the scene.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Ok... I thought that the disconnect seemed a little extreme. All clear now...

    Now that we are back on the same page regarding unmarried homosexual and heterosexual partnerships that end, as well as alcohol and such, I will look up some studies when I can and see what I can see. From what I have personally seen, I would say that homosexuals are no more likely to be alcoholics or any other negative thing than heterosexuals. Having an alcoholic grandmother and a dead alcoholic drug addict uncle and knowing other heterosexuals that are the same, and having known many pretty normal and healthy homosexuals leads me to believe that the numbers probably aren't that off. Probably literally every time I watch "cops" or any other cop show, the alcoholic abusive party animals or criminals are heterosexual just based off of having girlfriends, wives and female partners in or involved in the scene.
    Fair enough..


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    (smile) Your "salvation" doesn't rest on the Hebrew

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As someone 'of the book', I place a high value on authoritative scripture and defer to it principally. However, I don't limit myself to those texts alone.

    I know that I read the Word of God in translation and I know that Hebrew doesn't translate very well at all into English. Knowing this, I can't take the bible literally at every instance. Also, if I were reading the original scripture there are several ways to interpret any given line as such is the nature of Hebrew itself regardless of the text. You could interpret Moby Dick in many different ways were it written in Hebrew.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Don't need your help cuz

    Everything rests upon the "Book"...it is, or isn't the "Word" of "God".

    Sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Just to help you out a bit, coz you're new and all.

    A false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, fallacy of false choice, black and white thinking or the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses) is a type of logical fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are additional options.

    Link: False dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    My statement IS the essence and definition of what a Christian is. You can ignore it and come up with a fake base line based on your opinion, but it does not stand up to the fact I presented.

    My statement has nothing at all to do with relativity or weakness.


    It all rests upon the "Book" cuz

    Is it true or not?

    My statement IS the essence and definition of what a Christian is. You can ignore it and come up with a fake base line based on your opinion, but it does not stand up to the fact I presented.

    My statement has nothing at all to do with relativity or weakness.


    Did "Christ" rise form the dead, or didn't he?

    Simple question.

    My statement IS the essence and definition of what a Christian is. You can ignore it and come up with a fake base line based on your opinion, but it does not stand up to the fact I presented.

    My statement has nothing at all to do with relativity or weakness.


    Did he "rise" from the dead or not?

    Careful now, IF "Christ" rose from the dead....could not Jonah have been in the belly of the "Whale"?????
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