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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You forget that the risk is multiplied for every subsequent generation of incest. It becomes guaranteed.
    Well that's my point: children with inherited genetic disorders emerge in the first generation. The fact that incest takes a while demonstrates that incest is a lesser evil than inheritable genetic disorders.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You forget that the risk is multiplied for every subsequent generation of incest. It becomes guaranteed.
    What makes you sure that subsequent generations would engage in incest?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    What makes you sure that subsequent generations would engage in incest?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Data? Is that a joke? It is simple logic. You can't compare non-comparable items... when talking about apples, introducing a walnut simple makes no sense. Think what you want... I can only introduce people to reality if they are willing to see and hear it.
    Hmmm.. But I'm not comparing non-comparable items? Whether pre-marriage or during marriage, I asked you for data to back up your assertion that they happen at the same frequency, or I believe you said just "frequently". Whereas, I claim that homosexual relationships separate much more frequently, due primarily to the fact that they have many more relationships. So, whether pre marriage or engaged in marriage, I don't see how this is comparing apples to walnuts? Can you explain?


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    (smile) You aren't capable of it.

    Now, IF some wants to claim they are "Christian", and a Religious "Zealot" then a baseline must be established...the gentleman in question seems to not want to follow up on his "arguements" as being against ssm on Biblical grounds....as a "Christian" (as defined in the most meaningful sense of the word) one cannot pick and choose which "Bible" passages ne likes...and which ones they don't.

    Either the "Bible" is the word of one's God, or isn't...all or nothing.

    Now I don't care either way, but I won't someone have it both ways.
    Still a false dichotomy, and for someone claiming superior debating skillz, one should know that?


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What makes you sure that subsequent generations would engage in incest?
    He's one of those people who thinks children of gay parents will also be gay, is why.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Bodhisattva -

    Hmmm.. But I'm not comparing non-comparable items? Whether pre-marriage or during marriage, I asked you for data to back up your assertion that they happen at the same frequency, or I believe you said just "frequently". Whereas, I claim that homosexual relationships separate much more frequently, due primarily to the fact that they have many more relationships. So, whether pre marriage or engaged in marriage, I don't see how this is comparing apples to walnuts? Can you explain?


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    Marriage changes the dynamics of the relationship, if nothing else. Just about everybody I have ever talked to that had a long term relationship and then got married admits that the fundamental nature of their relationship drastically altered. It became more serious. It became more solid. It became more stable.

    56% of unmarried cohabiting couples vs 77% married cohabiting couples were still together 5 years after the birth of their child...
    The Role of the Father in Child ... - Google Books

    I didn't spend long looking, but that is pretty clear that the nature of marriage makes the nature of the relationship more stable, hence comparing unmarried homosexuals to married heterosexuals is about as comparable as comparing apples and walnuts when discussing fruit.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Marriage changes the dynamics of the relationship, if nothing else. Just about everybody I have ever talked to that had a long term relationship and then got married admits that the fundamental nature of their relationship drastically altered. It became more serious. It became more solid. It became more stable.

    56% of unmarried cohabiting couples vs 77% married cohabiting couples were still together 5 years after the birth of their child...
    The Role of the Father in Child ... - Google Books

    I didn't spend long looking, but that is pretty clear that the nature of marriage makes the nature of the relationship more stable, hence comparing unmarried homosexuals to married heterosexuals is about as comparable as comparing apples and walnuts when discussing fruit.
    Ok, I see the disconnect now. I wasn't intending to compare unmarried homosexuals to married heterosexuals, but reading back I see how you might have made that inference. That said, comparing unmarried homosexuals to unmarried heterosexuals is valid in terms of frequency of separation, partners etc.. Likewise, (and what I was meaning to say earlier) there have been many reports by gay advocates, such as Andrew Sullivan, et al, who claim that gay marriage will do absolutely nothing to curb homosexual infidelity. The infidelity will still be there, (although presumably to some degree less) regardless of marriage. This is the point I was trying to make regarding averagehomosexual culture, and lifestyle, compared to average heterosexual culture, and virtue.

    Now, if you want to ignore the data on the number of partners homosexuals have compared to their heterosexual counterparts, and the alcohol, and drug abuse, domestic violence etc.. Then I'd be curious to see your sources, but even among the gay members here, these numbers are staggeringly lopsided as a percentage of incidence. Giving this axiom, one might conclude that homosexual marriage will do nothing to promote family in the macro, and in fact might serve to bring the macro of marriage down for everyone..

    I see no reason not to believe this.


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    An incest baby is 1% to 4% higher at risk of having mutations than the offspring of unrelated couples. That is hardly guaranteed.
    This is why it shouldn't be the main argument against incest. The main argument against incest, especially when the relationships are parent/child or sibling/sibling or any older generation/younger generation (related by a certain percentage of blood) relationships, should be based more on looking at how/when the relationships develop. These types of relationships are not healthy relationships. They almost always develop before age of consent for one of the two involved, if not both.

    Incest, Information about Incest
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    Now, there still is a case for developmental disorders being more highly probable in cases of incest, so it cannot be completely discarded as an argument. But I still feel that most of the cases can be combatted better with how/when the relationship developed rather than just on the basis of genetic abnormalities.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Nothing false about it, try again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Still a false dichotomy, and for someone claiming superior debating skillz, one should know that?


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