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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
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    To be family is to be A family... end of story. Your attempt to qualify your statement wreaks of desperation.



    Delusions of grandeur can do that to you...



    They are A family that is family in every sense of the word...



    You are having trouble understanding the term promote... to promote family can be as simple as those that engage in, or have A family, are promoting family. It is not narrowing oneself, it is accepting how it really is. Heterosexuals do not promote family any more than homosexuals, and no less either... You say that they can have a family, well they are promoting family by having a family and why you can't or won't accept this fact is beyond most reasonable people's understanding...

    Well, thanks for your stated opinion.

    One might ask on another poll whether allowing homosexual marriage promotes marriage infidelity? I suspect the answer would be yes? Is a family still a family by your definition if a marriage is wrought with infidelity? Infidelity I might add that seems pervasive in the homosexual community, certainly more so percentage-wise than the heterosexual culture.. Add, domestic violence to the equation, and this whole idea of homosexuality promoting family seems to contradict itself, at least statistically when we look at the numbers compared to their heterosexual counter-parts. What about drug and alcohol abuse? Again, statistically more prevalent in homosexual communities, and individuals than in heterosexual circles. One has to ask themselves whether all of these tangible characteristics are really worth giving any weight to, when the question of promoting family enters into the equation.


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I never said you have to give you support...
    You assumed you have some right to control what I choose to put my voice to and what my voice will say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    ....but Equal Protection ultimately doesn't care what you think. Gays are going to have this entitlement because it is the Constitutionally right thing to do, and you are entitled to not like it all you want.
    And I'm entitled to come to an online debate forum and post said said opinion, which is all that's happening here. I'm not sure why you're acting like this is the Congressional floor. We at DP don't decide cases or pass legislation, but you're acting like we do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Yes and everything points to children being better off if their gay parents can have the same marriage benefits as their heterosexual counter-parts.
    Oh, "marriage benefits"....a 'strictly legal' argument

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    As long as the rights get acknowledged and enshrined, people can debate it for all eternity for all I care.
    And so we shall, regardless of what happens.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And why exactly is your version of God's law right, and mine not? Did he personally speak to you?
    Do you choose to ignore the scriptures stating that it is a sin? If you then say that the Bibe was made by bigots, then why fwould you follow it? If you state that "Oh, that's just as innane as this scripture here...", then why not use that for every verse?

    The Bible clearly state in both New and Old testament that homosexuality is a sin. Period. You can do what you want in this world, but if you claim yourself a Christian, you will answer to God for it in the next. You may brand me a bigot, but that merely shows your own extent of ignorance. If you call me a bigot, by your lines of faulty logic, I can call you an extremely perverse heathen. Hate the sin, not the sinner. You shouldn't get caught up in the trap that people against homosexuality hate homosexuals. You're just blind and unwise if you let those preconcieved notions get the best of you.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Do you choose to ignore the scriptures stating that it is a sin? If you then say that the Bibe was made by bigots, then why fwould you follow it? If you state that "Oh, that's just as innane as this scripture here...", then why not use that for every verse?

    The Bible clearly state in both New and Old testament that homosexuality is a sin. Period. You can do what you want in this world, but if you claim yourself a Christian, you will answer to God for it in the next. You may brand me a bigot, but that merely shows your own extent of ignorance. If you call me a bigot, by your lines of faulty logic, I can call you an extremely perverse heathen. Hate the sin, not the sinner. You shouldn't get caught up in the trap that people against homosexuality hate homosexuals. You're just blind and unwise if you let those preconcieved notions get the best of you.
    I have a different view on those passages yes, and I truly believe it is not a sin. Now why does it matter? I believe in Christ, and I am following what I believe is the word of God to the best of my ability. Does that make me any less of a Christian than you, because we disagree on something?

    I would really stop acting all holier than thou.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I have a different view on those passages yes, and I truly believe it is not a sin. Now why does it matter? I believe in Christ, and I am following what I believe is the word of God to the best of my ability. Does that make me any less of a Christian than you, because we disagree on something?

    I would really stop acting all holier than thou.
    hey, you are all good. from what I recall (haven't read leviticus in a while) it doesn't mention anything about lesbians. it does forbid men laying with men as with a woman and a woman presenting herself to an animal, but I don't recall it forbidding carpet munching.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Hehehe.. Well that's true^^^


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I have a different view on those passages yes, and I truly believe it is not a sin. Now why does it matter? I believe in Christ, and I am following what I believe is the word of God to the best of my ability. Does that make me any less of a Christian than you, because we disagree on something?

    I would really stop acting all holier than thou.
    It's not that we disagree, it's that the evidence proving you wrong is so clear, and yet you ignore it in spite.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You assumed you have some right to control what I choose to put my voice to and what my voice will say.
    I made no such assumption, and continually harping on this point only serves to distract us from the main point of the discussion, which is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh, "marriage benefits"....a 'strictly legal' argument
    Does marriage contribute to the healthy rearing of children, yes or no? You said yourself that this is about family, so answer the question.

    The answer to this question is what the entire debate hinges upon.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    I am a proud perverse heathen then..
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I made no such assumption...
    Yes you did, right here:
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    I respect your culture and your upbringing, but that doesn't mean you own marriage as an institution or get to tell others that have a different culture from you that their traditions don't matter.
    Yes I do. I get to tell people that. Me, and every other registered voter get to say that at the ballot box, when we give or don't give money, when we go to an event or write our representative. We get to do exactly that, and they of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Does marriage contribute to the healthy rearing of children, yes or no? You said yourself that this is about family, so answer the question.

    The answer to this question is what the entire debate hinges upon.
    The reason the issue does not hinge on that question is that the question applies to other types of marital unions which are objectionable.

    Take incest for example. Sure no one wants children with genetic disorders, but until you ban people with any of the over 4000 inheritable genetic disorders from marrying you have no argument against incest.

    You would have to argue that such familial couples have the right to marriage for the sake of their inbred children.

    And what of men with children by more than one woman? Even assuming their not Muslim, you would have to argue that all of those children are better off in a polygamist household under a marital union. It can even be argued that a polygamist family is better than a nuclear family when it comes to financial stability, the lack of which the leading cause of divorce.
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