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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Once again: easier said than done for a lot of people, depending on where you live. The legal fees here to make it happen are quite expensive, and very, very, very rarely (though not banned) have gay couples been able to adopt (unless one is already a biological parent).

    Thus a surrogate would be easier for many couples.

    I'm glad Alabama makes it easy (at least for straight married couples).
    I guess Alabama figures it's cheaper in the long run to pay the adoption expenses rather than support the kids for 10-15 years in the foster care system.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Who said anything about being immediate? Are you deliberately being dishonest? It's ok, you can say it clearly. Little Johnny is family, and is the immediate descendant of poor mamma and papa..
    Just be an adult and say that you said nothing about "immediate". I am sitting here thinking about little Johnny being found among the wreckage and people trying to determine who was his family... that is "immediate" in your scenario, that's all. If you want to start being a dick, I'll just chalk you up as a totalwaste of time and not a partial waste of time, with regards to taking you seriously.

    So, little Johnny IS family even though his parents are dead and Sara is NOT family, even though Tim is dead. Serious disconnect going on here. Little Johnny obviously would have ONCE been family before his parents demise just as Sara was ONCE family before Tim's demise.

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    I couldn't prove it if Tim died, and we had no DNA? That's kinda the point isn't it? Tim and Sara are NOT family, however they were ONCE a family; that is before Tim's demise.


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    If little Johnny's parents bodies were never found since they were eaten by sharks that died and sunk into the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and were forever destroyed by the Divergent Plate Boundary then you would not be able to prove that little Johnny was an immediate descendant of his parents any more than poor Sara whom you are claiming is no longer my sister in a legal, cultural or moral sense just because she... wait, his semen dissolved into her on accident and that should leave a trace element. Even if it doesn't. You are simply making a justification argument, discounting all reason in order to classify "family" into some tight little corner in order to exclude people that you don't approve of. "Family" is a human concept. Whatever language you use, the term and idea is a human social construct... so you really have nothing other than a fearful and offensive mindset.

    Anything else. I can keep shooting you down all day...
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    One day I hope to sue every state that prohibits two parent adoption on the grounds that they are not acting in the best interest of the child or respecting the right of a child to have a two parent home.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    One day I hope to sue every state that prohibits two parent adoption on the grounds that they are not acting in the best interest of the child or respecting the right of a child to have a two parent home.
    I actually sued DHR for custody of my first adopted son. they wanted to give him to him crackhead mother's 3rd cousin, who had just gotten out of prison after 25 years for murder. I sued on the grounds that giving custody to this convicted murderer was not in the best interest of the child and won. 1st time in the state that a foster parent had sued DHR for custody and won.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    really? if the only way I could get a kid, and I really wanted one of "my own", was to have gay sex...I'd suck a dick in a heartbeat, no matter how gross I think it is.
    Sorry but that isn't comparable to what you are asking me. In order for it to be comparable, I would say you would have to actually have sex with a guy until you orgasmed. With that in mind could you...

    1. Maintain an erection while having sex with a guy?
    2. Achieve orgasm while having sex with a guy? (so that you could deposit your semen)

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Sorry but that isn't comparable to what you are asking me. In order for it to be comparable, I would say you would have to actually have sex with a guy until you orgasmed. With that in mind could you...

    1. Maintain an erection while having sex with a guy?
    2. Achieve orgasm while having sex with a guy? (so that you could deposit your semen)
    I could maintain an erection and achieve orgasm with a goat if that's what it took. In my mind, I'd be doing Katy Perry.


    that is one thing I don;t get about gay dudes. how physically repulsive you find the thought of having sex with a female. My first roommate in college was a gay dude and he walked in on me and this girl once. the next day he asked me how I could do that, said he'd rather stick a knife in a girl than **** her.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I could maintain an erection and achieve orgasm with a goat if that's what it took. In my mind, I'd be doing Katy Perry.
    I'm honestly not sure whether or not I could. I honestly would have to try before I know. Some gay guys I have talked to about having sex with women say that they couldn't get an erection and others have gone the whole way and found it better than having sex with men. I think its an individual and cirumstantial thing.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Hiccup, pay attention!

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yeah, you have made up your own definition of family. It's that simple. I have never heard of a definition of family as narrow as the one you are advocating in this thread.
    No no no... it is really simple. Not A family, but family!

    Of course, that doesn't change the fact that it is your individual definition and it is so narrow that it is completely useless and irrelevant to this thread.
    Thats just the thing... it is so narrow that it is useless in any common sense aspect of communication. But what is most interesting is that it can so easily be turned around against him. If one believes in Adam and Eve, then according to him we all share DNA so we are all Family, meaning homosexual relationships are family too... IF one believes in evolution, then again, we all derive from the first single celled organisms which evolved into the first humans and that is why we all share 98% (or whatever it is) of the same DNA, hence we are all family again, including same sex couples.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm honestly not sure whether or not I could. I honestly would have to try before I know. Some gay guys I have talked to about having sex with women say that they couldn't get an erection and others have gone the whole way and found it better than having sex with men. I think its an individual and cirumstantial thing.
    wouldn't hurt to try.

    like the old Life cereal commercials. I'm not gonna try it, you try it. I can see you with a chick now....hey CT, he likes it
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    wouldn't hurt to try.

    like the old Life cereal commercials. I'm not gonna try it, you try it. I can see you with a chick now....hey CT, he likes it
    I got A's in math (even Calculus) - didn't mean I liked it. The ability to do something doesn't mean one derives true pleasure from it.

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