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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Perhaps within your own home, but your opinions apply to absolutely nobody else...

    A debate is not won or lost by simply saying I am "right", and you are "wrong"....which is your only real tactic here.

    As for the semantics you revert to in earlier posts, well that tactic is for those who need to define what the word "is" means....and not really a strong place to argue from.
    Depends on my goal in the debate. I'm not necessarily trying to convince you of my point of view. The black ribbon under my name was won by convincing an audience; the person I was debating is just as pro-prostitution now as she ever was. The red ribbons under my name are for exploring a different way of looking at the issue, while the blue ribbon under my name is for exploring an issue more in depth free from the nut-gallery and trolls. Sometimes the purpose of the debate is just to shut someone down. In that case victory is achieved when they leave the thread/forum/website.

    I think here we're playing to the audience, and we're not very serious, either. This is a lightweight thread, which mean people aren't so invested in the discussion that they spend a half hour creating a well researched argument and fill a post with links. Maybe the discussion will go that way on this thread, but it's not there at this moment.

    As you have no history on this forum, I think the best you can hop for in the immediate future is a pre-made post from those of us who have them saved from the last time we were holding this discussion.

    You can't just join a forum and demand that every syllable be backed up with a credible link. In my experience, being so new you're more likely to be a troll or a sock-puppet than a real person.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    then why don't more of these responsible gay couples adopt kids instead of going to all the expense of invitro or surrogacy?
    I would ask the same of any infertile hetero couple. Even the couple who adopted 2 children from me tried invertro first.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I would ask the same of any infertile hetero couple. Even the couple who adopted 2 children from me tried invertro first.
    that's just crazy...and selfish.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Most abortions occur for the sake of convenience, not necessity, and it is based on that fact that I argue that the gay-couple looking to take responsibility are superior to the hetero-couple who are derelict.
    Well, sure. I have no argument with that statement.


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    (smile) In other words you are a legend in your own mind, I get it.

    Sorry Jerry....I am not quite as enomored of you as you are yourself...and as I peruse the thread you are agruing from both sides of your mouth which actually makes you completely irrelevant to a serious conversation.

    Am I supposed to in awe of all those pretty ribbons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Depends on my goal in the debate. I'm not necessarily trying to convince you of my point of view. The black ribbon under my name was won by convincing an audience; the person I was debating is just as pro-prostitution now as she ever was. The red ribbons under my name are for exploring a different way of looking at the issue, while the blue ribbon under my name is for exploring an issue more in depth free from the nut-gallery and trolls. Sometimes the purpose of the debate is just to shut someone down. In that case victory is achieved when they leave the thread/forum/website.

    I think here we're playing to the audience, and we're not very serious, either. This is a lightweight thread, which mean people aren't so invested in the discussion that they spend a half hour creating a well researched argument and fill a post with links. Maybe the discussion will go that way on this thread, but it's not there at this moment.

    As you have no history on this forum, I think the best you can hop for in the immediate future is a pre-made post from those of us who have them saved from the last time we were holding this discussion.

    You can't just join a forum and demand that every syllable be backed up with a credible link. In my experience, being so new you're more likely to be a troll or a sock-puppet than a real person.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's just crazy...and selfish.
    Because people are obsessed with passing their genes down to the next generation. Apparently regardless of sexual orientation.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    then why don't more of these responsible gay couples adopt kids instead of going to all the expense of invitro or surrogacy?
    Because adoption is a pain in the ass, and some states do not recognize same sex couple adoption.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Because adoption is a pain in the ass,
    and tracking down a sperm donor or surrogate for invitro is such an easy effortless process.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Because adoption is a pain in the ass, and some states do not recognize same sex couple adoption.
    I was going back to add, "because adoption is incredibly expensive" as well.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and tracking down a sperm donor or surrogate for invitro is such an easy effortless process.
    If you have a friend willing to help (sperm donor or surrogate) or insurance to cover it, it's a lot cheaper than adoption.

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