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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Typical Tim trick. You asked several different questions and I answered the first. Why do people want children? Because they are socialized to want children. Why do people want sex? Because they have a biological drive to have sex. Not every animal on this planet is conscious that having sex leads to having children. In fact some primitive human cultures that exist even today believe that sex has nothing to do with having children.
    Trick?

    Question, why the need to be conscious of wanting children, and how does that specifically invalidate anything I'm claiming? Another question. Why would anyone want sex in the first place, especially if they never knew what it felt like? What drives them to have sex? What.. Mommy and Daddy? Society?


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    On some levels, I believe that families that produce offspring of themselves are superior to those that cannot. Depends on how you measure superior? In this context I measure it in evolutionary terms.


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    Oh goody, now you are a Social Darwinist.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Biologists do not use the term "family" as you are trying to use it. As such, it is nothing but your personal defnition. Not the "strictest" sense of family, but Tim's made up definition of family.
    Wrong, biologists do use the term, and they use it exactly the same way I do. Anthropologists however, see it differently. Or at least some do.


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Not A family, but family. That is correct!

    You know folks, it's really not that complicated.


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    It is only your definition of family that makes it that way. First of all, the entire point of legal/civil marriage is to make two adults a part of each other's legal family, adults who have no or little blood relation at all. The same thing goes for adoption when you are talking about children. Family is a lot more than blood relations to most people.

    My father-in-law is actually my husband's stepfather. We live in the same city as my husband's biological father currently, and have since August, yet he has not accepted any invitation from us to come meet me and his grandsons or for us to come to meet him and his current family. My husband considers his bio father to be little more than a sperm donor, but has great respect and love for his stepfather, as do I.

    Blood may be thicker than water, but love is always better than blood. <Unless you're a vampire.>
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Evolution favors superior social structures.
    Oh they do.. And how would you go about structuring your society if you were an evolution machine?


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Not to overstate the fact, but even two different Roman emporers married men. Gay marriage has been around for a long, long time. In the United States, its about 50 years old.
    Well sure, I would agree that homosexuality has been with us for as long as we've been around. But gay-marriage being seen as the same and equal to regular hetero-marriage is uniquely modern. In ancient Rome and feudal Japan where gay relationships were the accepted norm, it was not seen as the same as opposite-sex marriage. In Rome the relationship was of Master and Student or Owner and Slave, and it was illegal for the Roman citizen to be on the receiving end. In Japan the relationship was an indulgence. The gay warrior was still expected to marry a woman and have children by her.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh I have got to hear this. Please go into detail on this one Jerry. I'm just so excited to hear all the specifics on this one.
    As am I. I await the DP member with nothing better to do then create a 2,000 page draft Marriage Reform Bill like Congress made for health care.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh they do.. And how would you go about structuring your society if you were an evolution machine?


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    I would have my weak societies eaten by the strong ones.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is only your definition of family that makes it that way. First of all, the entire point of legal/civil marriage is to make two adults a part of each other's legal family, adults who have no or little blood relation at all. The same thing goes for adoption when you are talking about children. Family is a lot more than blood relations to most people.

    My father-in-law is actually my husband's stepfather. We live in the same city as my husband's biological father currently, and have since August, yet he has not accepted any invitation from us to come meet me and his grandsons or for us to come to meet him and his current family. My husband considers his bio father to be little more than a sperm donor, but has great respect and love for his stepfather, as do I.

    Blood may be thicker than water, but love is always better than blood. <Unless you're a vampire.>
    I have a step Dad as well, and a real Father. My real Father died many years ago when I was 16. I love both men, and my step Dad is one of the people on this planet that I have a great deal of respect for. He IS my Dad, but he will never be my Father. They both imprinted themselves on me the individual, but it is my fathers biology that I passed on to my four children.


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Question, why the need to be conscious of wanting children, and how does that specifically invalidate anything I'm claiming?
    You asked why we want children. I answered. We are socialized to want children. It is separate from our biological need for sex. The fact that many people do not want children is evidence of that fact.

    Another question. Why would anyone want sex in the first place, especially if they never knew what it felt like? What drives them to have sex? What.. Mommy and Daddy? Society?
    Hormones drive people to want sex. I never suggested that the desire for sex was driven by socialization. I suggested that the desire for children was driven by socialization. The desire for sex is driven mostly by biological processes.


    And yes Tim, you are a Trickster. That is all you bring to debate. Leading questions and unsubstantiated lies and bull****.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Wrong, biologists do use the term, and they use it exactly the same way I do. Anthropologists however, see it differently. Or at least some do.


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    Dude, I studied Biology. They do not use the word "family" the way you are using it. That is a bull**** lie.

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