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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    So you don't think that people without children wouldn't have children if marriage was available to them?
    The Triple negative is throwing me off... can you rephrase?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    So you don't think that people without children wouldn't have children if marriage was available to them?
    I'm saying they're in the wrong for making children outside of marriage, and if that child already knows a mother and father, that neither parent should marry anyone other than each other until that child is 18.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Then you practive your own relativity...and clearly think only whaT you think can be correct...it must be awful living as your very own god...
    Not really...I mean, consider it....I am both a loyal following and a benevolent ruler....self governance...it's a win/win.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Yes or no, and explain your answer.

    I say yes, SSM promotes family just like opposite sex marriage.
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    of course the common sense answer is always yes.

    Now if you want to argue marriage PERIOD doesnt promote family then fine have that argument but theres no difference between the two.

    Marriage and family are what people make them so if you think marriage promotes family then ALL marriage does and if you dont you think it depends on the people involved than that also applaies to ALL marriage.

    This is a pretty cut and dry question.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Practicing Catholic are you?
    No I don't drink or gamble.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The Triple negative is throwing me off... can you rephrase?
    Well we know that any 2 negatives would cancel each other out, leaving the remaining negative, so let's try them out....

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    So you _ think that people without children wouldn't have children if marriage was available to them?
    This is the one I went with.
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    So you don't think that people with children wouldn't have children if marriage was available to them?
    if someone has children, and is not married, they shouldn't marry anyone other than the person that child knows as their parent until that child turns 18.

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    So you don't think that people without children would have children if marriage was available to them?
    I think childless couples would look at raising children as an option were they married.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ah, and there are many families, that's why I said "technically" in my post. I was drawing off of Zyphlin's comment a few pages back about likening SSM to OSM, and what comes from them. You realize that a "family" consisting of two parents producing a child that contains the biological imprint from each parent is considered a technical family, whereby, should all that ever remain of an individual be genetic material, the parents of that individual could be identified. Families of animals of every other species on Earth are clearly tracable through their genetic material. It is only humans that have the power to consider a family something other than what nature does.

    My point was that, SSM does not promote family in the technical sense, just like adoption doesn't. What it does do is complicate the natural order of the family, when leaving aside any material definition of family outside of what we biologically identify a family to be. Put it this way. As scientists are eagerly putting together the puzzle of human acenstory, they're tracking families, not by any other means than that of matching DNA, and the penetration and percent of that DNA within genomes. They can't tell if anyone was gay, or adopted or whatever, only that the familial ties that bind are, in themselves, unmistakable.

    So, since this definition of what constitutes a family is ... Well, true, then what is your definition of a family? Is it a cultural definition, perhaps a manufactured definition out of some convienence that undoubtedly serves some political purpose? Can an adopted parent, gay, transexual, whatever person love their child, even though both parents do not share their DNA to produce the offspring? Of they can, but are they family? That's the point (I think) Zyphlin was making, and I agree.

    As to my point about SSM proponents first making a mockery of marriage, and then now embracing the concept in terms of first and foremost being that of the best way to produce and raise children is laughable, inconsistent, and you, and CT, and many others are hypocrits for straddling the proverbial fence. My point about society, marriage, children is that OSM proponents have been making this rational argument for years, and it is dismissed, muddied by you folks, and diminished as unimportant to those that argue for equity in the law, yet, now that you seem confident that marriage rights are just around the corner, you are agreeing with those very same folks that clung to the "marriage is about children and raising them" argument, and that society has every right to protect that arrangement.

    In short, you lack credibility!


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    I you want two heterosexual parents with their own children to mean to have a distinct meaning from other mentioned situations, then you need to come up with your own new term. Family encompasses more than what you want, just as marriage does. Call your type of family, family type 1, or something, but it is pretty laughable and extremely pathetic watching you attempt to hi-jack a common term that applies directly to other types of families...
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I you want two heterosexual parents with their own children to mean to have a distinct meaning from other mentioned situations, then you need to come up with your own new term. Family encompasses more than what you want, just as marriage does. Call your type of family, family type 1, or something, but it is pretty laughable and extremely pathetic watching you attempt to hi-jack a common term that applies directly to other types of families...
    He already has the term "Nuclear Family", which is a term that does not apply to same-sex couples. What, then, shall we call same-sex couples?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I you want two heterosexual parents with their own children to mean to have a distinct meaning from other mentioned situations, then you need to come up with your own new term. Family encompasses more than what you want, just as marriage does. Call your type of family, family type 1, or something, but it is pretty laughable and extremely pathetic watching you attempt to hi-jack a common term that applies directly to other types of families...
    No, what I am attempting to do is clear the air. Whatever "type" of family you wish to have, or I, or anyone, lays no bearing on the fact that a family in any natural sense can only ever be one thing. Any cultural meaning of a family is just that. Cultural. It's a human construction, and it's subjective. The family I define is completely objective, free of dirty water.


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    No, what I am attempting to do is clear the air. Whatever "type" of family you wish to have, or I, or anyone, lays no bearing on the fact that a family in any natural sense can only ever be one thing. Any cultural meaning of a family is just that. Cultural. It's a human construction, and it's subjective. The family I define is completely objective, free of dirty water.
    You understand this sentence totally condridicts itself right?

    Your definition is also subjective and is NOT objective at all nor is YOUR opinioin of what a family is in any natural sense a fact.

    If you want to clear the air, the only fact here is that your OPINIONS ARE the dirty water.
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