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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    What is worse is that I am an American...


    Noooooooooooo............


    .........wait, you must be a liberal. Well, that would explain it doctor.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I was talking about before the marriage, not during the marriage.
    Well then we're having a different kind of discussion which applies to heteros and gays, as I would argue that you have no right to create a child outside of a stable home. That child is not your body, it's not your life you're messing up there. Any child deserves both parents.

    If you were playing around and got pregnant, imo that should be a crime because you are harming that child.

    If the child is from a previous marriage, I already argue that no parent with small children should re-marry (I live this one, btw), so that would apply to my view of gays marrying as well.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Noooooooooooo............[/SIZE]


    .........wait, you must be a liberal. Well, that would explain it doctor.
    STRIKE TWO!!

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?
    Only 1 in every 3 times if a lesbian couple, and only 1 in every 5 times if a gay couple.

    Same-Sex Households with Children in the United States

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Only 1 in every 3 times if a lesbian couple, and only 1 in every 5 times if a gay couple.

    Same-Sex Households with Children in the United States
    And this means what exactly?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And this means what exactly?
    It means "sometimes", as in between 'not never' and 'not always', with information describing the frequency of occurrence.

    Of those gay couples with children, how many should not be married for other reasons; step-parent, to young, cross race, cross religion, significant money problems, abuse?

    I'm sure we could whittle those numbers down even further.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It means "sometimes", as in between 'not never' and 'not always', with information describing the frequency of occurrence.

    Of those gay couples with children, how many should not be married for other reasons; step-parent, to young, cross race, cross religion, significant money problems, abuse?

    I'm sure we could whittle those numbers down even further.
    So you don't think that people without children wouldn't have children if marriage was available to them?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Practicing Catholic are you?

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    I think that when you marry you are voluntarily applying for the job as parent. That's what marriage is all about, that's the state's "compelling interest" in violating your right to privacy and sticking it's noes in your relationships in the first place.

    If you don't want to do the job, that's fine, the State can just annul/divorce you.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Then you practive your own relativity...and clearly think only whaT you think can be correct...it must be awful living as your very own god...


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not sure why Bodhisattva is arguing with you as he clearly agrees with that position on moral relativity and subjective definitions....


    Bodhisattva said himself that he makes his own definitions. I don't know about others, but like food I make what I like. I imagine others make things they like, including definitions.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Don't tell me what my beliefs are, I have always said that SSM promotes family, but it is not the only argument for SSM.

    Also there is adoption, surrogacy, invetro, sex with the opposite sex, all ways LGBT people can have a family. I really don't know what your arguing here, are you saying that LGBT people don't have families? Because reality proves you wrong.
    Ah, and there are many families, that's why I said "technically" in my post. I was drawing off of Zyphlin's comment a few pages back about likening SSM to OSM, and what comes from them. You realize that a "family" consisting of two parents producing a child that contains the biological imprint from each parent is considered a technical family, whereby, should all that ever remain of an individual be genetic material, the parents of that individual could be identified. Families of animals of every other species on Earth are clearly tracable through their genetic material. It is only humans that have the power to consider a family something other than what nature does.

    My point was that, SSM does not promote family in the technical sense, just like adoption doesn't. What it does do is complicate the natural order of the family, when leaving aside any material definition of family outside of what we biologically identify a family to be. Put it this way. As scientists are eagerly putting together the puzzle of human acenstory, they're tracking families, not by any other means than that of matching DNA, and the penetration and percent of that DNA within genomes. They can't tell if anyone was gay, or adopted or whatever, only that the familial ties that bind are, in themselves, unmistakable.

    So, since this definition of what constitutes a family is ... Well, true, then what is your definition of a family? Is it a cultural definition, perhaps a manufactured definition out of some convienence that undoubtedly serves some political purpose? Can an adopted parent, gay, transexual, whatever person love their child, even though both parents do not share their DNA to produce the offspring? Of they can, but are they family? That's the point (I think) Zyphlin was making, and I agree.

    As to my point about SSM proponents first making a mockery of marriage, and then now embracing the concept in terms of first and foremost being that of the best way to produce and raise children is laughable, inconsistent, and you, and CT, and many others are hypocrits for straddling the proverbial fence. My point about society, marriage, children is that OSM proponents have been making this rational argument for years, and it is dismissed, muddied by you folks, and diminished as unimportant to those that argue for equity in the law, yet, now that you seem confident that marriage rights are just around the corner, you are agreeing with those very same folks that clung to the "marriage is about children and raising them" argument, and that society has every right to protect that arrangement.

    In short, you lack credibility!


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