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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What I find strange is that the term "partner" has now permeated into the heterosexual community. Personally, I don't like it. It seems to be the more liberal people that do that, and what I don't like is that I don't know if they are talking about their wife of thirty years or the chick that he is banging the past month. Don't know if the guy is gay or not either... not that it really matters, but the term "partner" is elusive and not accurate in many times... that is just me though.
    I agree. If my gall called me her "partner" I'd take it as an insult because "partner" doesn't denote any level of affection or intimacy.

    I suspect that straight couples who call each other "partner" do so to make their gay friends feel more accepted. IMO it's the gay friends who should start calling their significant other "husband" or "wife" as appropriate.

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    Attn2 Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Don't tell me what my beliefs are, I have always said that SSM promotes family, but it is not the only argument for SSM.

    Also there is adoption, surrogacy, invetro, sex with the opposite sex, all ways LGBT people can have a family. I really don't know what your arguing here, are you saying that LGBT people don't have families? Because reality proves you wrong.
    Whoa now, if you're married to your woman, having sex with anyone other than her is adultery; even if consensual. That's beyond the bounds of gay marriage, you're crossing a line on a fundamental level there. I don't care what form of marriage is at hand, you don't have sex with anyone but your spouse(s).
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So a childless couple would not qualify as "family"? Really?
    Well, maybe a really sucky one.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Originally Posted by Hicup
    Not for nothing, (I didn't answer this stupid poll) but, you, and YourStar, and others on your side, have argued ad infinitum that "marriage" isn't about kids at all, and even further some have argued that the state's interest in marriage has nothing to do with the little ones. Do you NEED me to perform a search to prove that you've all claimed this position countless times?

    Now, it seems that you've all changed your narrative on the issue? So which is it, what is your position on society, family, children, and marriage? This ought to be interesting...
    Marriage isn't about kids, it is about two people joining together legally and often religiously. Kids can and generally are a by-product of the union. Is it really that difficult of a concept to understand?


    Oh, and while you're at it, and since you folks always like to pull out the "technical" card. Why don't you folks explain exactly how two same sex people (outside of expensive invetro gene splicing) can even have a "family" at all? The equivocating on this one should provide some minor, if only shortly lived amusement as well.


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    The amusement begins and ends with such short sighted and limited understanding such as you are displaying... a same sex couple can adopt just as an opposite sex couple can. They can be willed care of children when natural parents die. They can, as you say, use gene splicing...

    What is an opposite sex couple without children known as if not as a family? Can you simply apply that logic to same sex couples and grow up a bit? Thanks...
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No idea... but if it is occurring, it is occurring. Permeating would indicate that it has started and might just well end up being the new PC term that everybody uses in 50-100 years... who knows.
    I'll believe it when I, err, hear it. So, far it's only one of our posters. I'm thinking it's the kids screwing up the language.......again.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I agree. If my gall called me her "partner" I'd take it as an insult because "partner" doesn't denote any level of affection or intimacy.

    I suspect that straight couples who call each other "partner" do so to make their gay friends feel more accepted. IMO it's the gay friends who should start calling their significant other "husband" or "wife" as appropriate.
    I know a couple of gays that do call their partners "wife", both lesbian couples. They are both "wives" to each other. And I agree it is about being PC and appeasing or feeling more accepted to gays. There is no need for that though...

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I'll believe it when I, err, hear it. So, far it's only one of our posters. I'm thinking it's the kids screwing up the language.......again.
    When hundreds of adults are doing it it is not kids...
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Not for nothing, (I didn't answer this stupid poll) but, you, and YourStar, and others on your side, have argued ad infinitum that "marriage" isn't about kids at all, and even further some have argued that the state's interest in marriage has nothing to do with the little ones. Do you NEED me to perform a search to prove that you've all claimed this position countless times?

    Now, it seems that you've all changed your narrative on the issue? So which is it, what is your position on society, family, children, and marriage? This ought to be interesting...

    I await eagerly to see what the Pro-SSM side says about that?

    Oh, and while you're at it, and since you folks always like to pull out the "technical" card. Why don't you folks explain exactly how two same sex people (outside of expensive invetro gene splicing) can even have a "family" at all? The equivocating on this one should provide some minor, if only shortly lived amusement as well.


    Tim-
    So - 1/3 Lesbian households have children; and 1/5 of gay male households are raising children.

    Same-Sex Households with Children in the United States

    People have past relationships before coming out that result in children; adopt; make surrogate arrangements; take in foster children; raise God-children...

    The only difference is while most heterosexual households do have kids; most same-sex households do not - but many do. Straight couples who choose not to have kids shouldn't have their rights restricted - nor do they "hate" traditional families. In the same way, same-sex households should be restricted in their rights, nor do they hate traditional families.

    But - if the Iowa constitutional amendment should pass, it would make those same-sex households who have children families of divorce immediately. So I hardly see how that is "supporting family".

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I'll believe it when I, err, hear it. So, far it's only one of our posters. I'm thinking it's the kids screwing up the language.......again.
    I know what you're saying, but this is America, we started out with a melting pot of bastardized versions of English and have only made it worse with time....there's not much left to ruin, yo.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post

    Are you striving for the irrelevant clown of the year award?

    Note to self.......new zealanders have no known sense of humor. Check.

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