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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What I did in that post was reflect back to the gay community what they look like.

    Ugly, isn't it?

    In the last few pages I've argued with YourStar that gays should call each-other "wife" "husband", etc, because "partner" does not describe the same kind of relationship. YourStar gave insight that gays call each-other "partner" due to social rejection, and I maintain that continued use of "partner" perpetuates that social rejection and does the gay community no favors.
    What I find strange is that the term "partner" has now permeated into the heterosexual community. Personally, I don't like it. It seems to be the more liberal people that do that, and what I don't like is that I don't know if they are talking about their wife of thirty years or the chick that he is banging the past month. Don't know if the guy is gay or not either... not that it really matters, but the term "partner" is elusive and not accurate in many times... that is just me though.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The polls submitted in the "Polls" section of this forum are useless because guests are allowed to vote and thus some members troll them by voting mulitiple times.
    Well, that is unfair. It won't let me vote twice. Perhaps you are wrong.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What I find strange is that the term "partner" has now permeated into the heterosexual community. Personally, I don't like it. It seems to be the more liberal people that do that, and what I don't like is that I don't know if they are talking about their wife of thirty years or the chick that he is banging the past month. Don't know if the guy is gay or not either... not that it really matters, but the term "partner" is elusive and not accurate in many times... that is just me though.
    Not in my neck of the woods. Do I just chalk this up to......cultural differences?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If that is the case, then why do most of the same sex couples who do get married have children or seek to adopt children?

    Jerry, the only consistent argument you have ever provided against same sex marriage is that you don't like that gay rights advocates often justify it with a call for equality. It isn't just about equal individuals, its also about equal families.

    Jerry, not every gay rights advocate is a secular humanist. That might be hard for you to believe, but it is true.
    Not for nothing, (I didn't answer this stupid poll) but, you, and YourStar, and others on your side, have argued ad infinitum that "marriage" isn't about kids at all, and even further some have argued that the state's interest in marriage has nothing to do with the little ones. Do you NEED me to perform a search to prove that you've all claimed this position countless times?

    Now, it seems that you've all changed your narrative on the issue? So which is it, what is your position on society, family, children, and marriage? This ought to be interesting...

    I await eagerly to see what the Pro-SSM side says about that?

    Oh, and while you're at it, and since you folks always like to pull out the "technical" card. Why don't you folks explain exactly how two same sex people (outside of expensive invetro gene splicing) can even have a "family" at all? The equivocating on this one should provide some minor, if only shortly lived amusement as well.


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Well, that is unfair. It won't let me vote twice. Perhaps you are wrong.
    No he is right. It happens to alot of polls. But you can click on the numbers in the poll to see the real numbers.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    When did same sex marriage advocates present this terminology?
    That can't be a serious question....it's like asking "since when was the sky blue"...You've never been on a DP thread when pro-SSM start pulling out the "marriage is a strictly legal contract" arguments? "Gays have a right to contract" doesn't ring a bell? What about "pooling resources" or "legal benefits of marriage"? Ever see a demonstration where gays refer to each other as "partner"...and after a short time of seeing gays you realize that "partner" is what they keep calling each other? When the Mayor of SF says to a mass-wedding "I now pronounce you partners alike"....you never heard any of this?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Not for nothing, (I didn't answer this stupid poll) but, you, and YourStar, and others on your side, have argued ad infinitum that "marriage" isn't about kids at all, and even further some have argued that the state's interest in marriage has nothing to do with the little ones. Do you NEED me to perform a search to prove that you've all claimed this position countless times?

    Now, it seems that you've all changed your narrative on the issue? So which is it, what is your position on society, family, children, and marriage? This ought to be interesting...

    I await eagerly to see what the Pro-SSM side says about that?

    Oh, and while you're at it, and since you folks always like to pull out the "technical" card. Why don't you folks explain exactly how two same sex people (outside of expensive invetro gene splicing) can even have a "family" at all? The equivocating on this one should provide some minor, if only shortly lived amusement as well.


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    Don't tell me what my beliefs are, I have always said that SSM promotes family, but it is not the only argument for SSM.

    Also there is adoption, surrogacy, invetro, sex with the opposite sex, all ways LGBT people can have a family. I really don't know what your arguing here, are you saying that LGBT people don't have families? Because reality proves you wrong.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Originally Posted by DiAnna
    I'm a little perplexed by the wording. I don't actually think any marriage as such "promotes family." It doesn't promote anything, except two people decided for emotional and/or financial reasons that they want to spend a portion of their lives together. (I'd say their entire lives, but with the divorce rate at 50% that makes me sound a bit clueless!) Children actually promote family, in my view
    So a childless couple would not qualify as "family"? Really?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No he is right. It happens to alot of polls. But you can click on the numbers in the poll to see the real numbers.
    Isn't that funny.........you guys need to fix that.


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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Not in my neck of the woods. Do I just chalk this up to......cultural differences?
    No idea... but if it is occurring, it is occurring. Permeating would indicate that it has started and might just well end up being the new PC term that everybody uses in 50-100 years... who knows.
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