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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What I did in that post was reflect back to the gay community what they look like.

    Ugly, isn't it?

    In the last few pages I've argued with YourStar that gays should call each-other "wife" "husband", etc, because "partner" does not describe the same kind of relationship. YourStar gave insight that gays call each-other "partner" due to social rejection, and I maintain that continued use of "partner" perpetuates that social rejection and does the gay community no favors.
    Jerry, the arguments regarding equality and legality of marriage are derived from the historical origins of the gay rights movement. It began as a part of the Civil Rights movement of the 60s and as such, it utilizes many of the same Constitutional arguments spanning from a broad interpretation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment.

    It seems you wish to demonize the historical origins of the gay rights movement because it does not correlate with your vision of marriage being a particularly family centered institution. Regardless of whether same sex couples are allowed to marry or not, marriage has already been radically transformed to the point that only 25% of the families in our country represent the traditional nuclear family. Same sex marriage promises to increase the number of 2 parent homes in which children could be raised, and if the latest 35 years of research is any indication, having 2 parents is considerably more important than the gender of the parents. Furthermore, as many as 8 million children are being raised by gay couples and same sex couples and all of those could benefit from the institution.

    Regardless of how you feel about the historical motives of the gay rights movement, the family benefits of marriage will exist within same sex marriage. As such, you have no rational recourse in which to deny same sex couples the right to marriage.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 02-08-11 at 05:10 PM.

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    joke Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Really?
    Yes, really. This is what the gay community has established and who are you to tell them they're wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    When did you get to decide what people call themselves.
    There should be a "?" at the end of that sentence as it's worded as a question.

    Anyway, I was commissioned as your local EvilConservative™ Representative in March of 2002, years before I joined this forum. As an EvilConservative™ I am authorized to decide for the minorities in my sphere of influence, among other things, what they shall call themselves. Failure to comply will result in a net increase in Glenn Beck's TV ratings, and no one wants that, do they?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Are you going to bust down her door and disallowe her to call her wife, "Honey" when she comes home?
    It's "disallow".

    I could. As an EvilConservative™ I have, in addition to a Survival Seed-Vault, bibles and various firearms, a personal set of riot gear. Busting down doors is easy, and once inside the home there's little a car battery and cables won't accomplish.

    However, generally speaking, I'm inclined to allow the use of "Honey" as such affection is usually accompanied by a kiss, and no male in his right mind is going to put a stop to some hot lesbo action.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Are you going to prevent their children from calling them Mom?
    I will allow the woman who is the biological parent can be called "mom". However, the other parent will have to be called by her name. You need to understand that allowing a child to call the non-biological parent "mom" is just an attempt by the gays to indoctrinate that child into the Leftist movement and convert them into homosexuality. This fact is incontrovertible as it's firmly substantiated by NARTH and Godhatesfags.org.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    How else do you intend to rule the lives of gay people?
    Without giving to much away, I think it's public knowledge that We will not allow gays to marry, adopt, buy a home or car together, serve in the military at all (forget about DADT, we want them found and court marshaled), or allowed onto public school property.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Why stop there? Why not dictate to everyone what they should call themselves and how they should live their lives?
    That's a damn good idea.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Jerry, the arguments regarding equality and legality of marriage are derived from the historical origins of the gay rights movement. It began as a part of the Civil Rights movement of the 60s and as such, it utilizes many of the same Constitutional arguments spanning from a broad interpretation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment.

    It seems you wish to demonize the historical origins of the gay rights movement because it does not correlate with your vision of marriage being a particularly family centered institution. Regardless of whether same sex couples are allowed to marry or not, marriage has already been radically transformed to the point that only 25% of the families in our country represent the traditional nuclear family. Same sex marriage promises to increase the number of 2 parent homes in which children could be raised, and if the latest 35 years of research is any indication, having 2 parents is considerably more important than the gender of the parents. Furthermore, as many as 8 million children are being raised by gay couples and same sex couples and all of those could benefit from the institution.

    Regardless of how you feel about the historical motives of the gay rights movement, the family benefits of marriage will exist within same sex marriage. As such, you have no rational recourse in which to deny same sex couples the right to marriage.
    Wow see I wasn't talking about denying or supporting gay marriage either way there.

    We were talking about how the vernacular manipulates perception.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Very interesting poll results. Two to one feel gay marriage doesn't promote yet I'd be willing to believe at least two thirds would support gay marriage. Yes indeed this poll is very interesting.
    Last edited by Dutch; 02-08-11 at 05:42 PM.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What I did in that post was reflect back to the gay community what they look like.

    Ugly, isn't it?

    In the last few pages I've argued with YourStar that gays should call each-other "wife" "husband", etc, because "partner" does not describe the same kind of relationship. YourStar gave insight that gays call each-other "partner" due to social rejection, and I maintain that continued use of "partner" perpetuates that social rejection and does the gay community no favors.
    Perhaps. Language can alter perception; but who cares what people want to call their loved ones? I know people who use "partner" and I know people who say "husband / wife". I know people who go back and forth depending on context or for no apparent reason. I also know straight people who say "partner".

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Perhaps. Language can alter perception; but who cares what people want to call their loved ones? I know people who use "partner" and I know people who say "husband / wife". I know people who go back and forth depending on context or for no apparent reason. I also know straight people who say "partner".
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Perhaps. Language can alter perception; but who cares what people want to call their loved ones? I know people who use "partner" and I know people who say "husband / wife". I know people who go back and forth depending on context or for no apparent reason. I also know straight people who say "partner".
    That's a new one for me, I haven't ever met a straight couple who called each other "partner".

    As for who cares, well, everyone cares. A "partner" is not a "brother" is not a "battle" is not a "friend" is not a "husband".....

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Very interesting poll results. Two to one feel gay marriage doesn't promote yet I'd be willing to believe at least two thirds would support gay marriage. Yes indeed this poll is very interesting.
    The polls submitted in the "Polls" section of this forum are useless because guests are allowed to vote and thus some members troll them by voting mulitiple times.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, you're a "strictly legal contracted" woman. And she's not your 'wife', she's your "partner". This is the vocabulary your side has presented, and is one way we know that pro-SSM is not about the family. You're about just whatever feels good, whatever that may be. In your case, specifically, at best you're the broken watch.
    When did same sex marriage advocates present this terminology?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm a little perplexed by the wording. I don't actually think any marriage as such "promotes family." It doesn't promote anything, except two people decided for emotional and/or financial reasons that they want to spend a portion of their lives together. (I'd say their entire lives, but with the divorce rate at 50% that makes me sound a bit clueless!) Children actually promote family, in my view.

    If I understand what you actually mean, the opposite of what you're asking would be "Does SSM degrade or harm family?" Since my answer to that question would be "no", I suspect my answer to your question would be "yes."

    Or something.
    Yeah - agreed, here.

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