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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think I've don nothing but condemn divorce on this thread.

    The only 'out' Jesus, whom you quote, gives to marriage other than death is marital unfaithfulness. If one spouse cheats on the other and then the other seeks a divorce, who 'caused' them to separate?

    The legal divorce was reactionary to an initial breach of contract by the other spouse.

    The guilt of the divorce falls on the one who caused it, not necessarily the one who filed the paperwork. The one who files the paperwork can be every bit the victim.
    But can they be Christian and divorce? You claim that homosexual couples cannot be Christians. Can divorcees?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well it follows that a couple who choose to live a hypocritical life by claiming to live by God's law while violating that law would seek out like-minded hypocrites who filed some paperwork and opened a church. Birds of a feather, and all.
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    What about what is in the heart being more important? Seems the lord is pretty clear that he looks within and not just as a man sees a person...
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And why exactly is your version of God's law right, and mine not? Did he personally speak to you?
    I think the key diference between you and I is that you have your own versions of institutions, where as I conform to the institution.

    I don't have a version of God's law, God's law has a version of a subject; me.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    But can they be Christian and divorce?
    Guilt of sin does not excommunicate a person, but that person is still guilty of sin non the less.

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    You claim that homosexual couples cannot be Christians.
    I said that a gay couple who chose to subjugate themselves to Christian doctrine must part ways in due coarse of obeying that doctrine. If they are both Christians and a couple, they are hypocrites, but they are still both Christians and a couple.

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    Can divorcees?
    Absolutely. Guilt of sin does not excommunicate you, it simply makes you guilty of sin; a hypocrite.

    The person who is at fault for the divorce bears the guilt whether or not they're the spouse who filed the paperwork.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    "But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.” —1 Samuel 16:7

    Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God. —Romans 15:7

    What about what is in the heart being more important? Seems the lord is pretty clear that he looks within and not just as a man sees a person...
    The Lord forbids same-sex relations, also. We can't cherry-pick which laws to follow.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-07-11 at 04:59 PM.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Guilt of sin does not excommunicate a person, but that person is still guilty of sin non the less.



    I said that a gay couple who chose to subjugate themselves to Christian doctrine must part ways in due coarse of obeying that doctrine. If they are both Christians and a couple, they are hypocrites, but they are still both Christians and a couple.



    Absolutely. Guilt of sin does not excommunicate you, it simply makes you guilty of sin; a hypocrite.

    The person who is at fault for the divorce bears the guilt whether or not they're the spouse who filed the paperwork.
    Okay. That's clear.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The Lord forbids same-sex relations, also. We can't cherry-pick which laws to follow.
    Then at best, you have contradictory Scripture in which you are following...
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The Lord forbids same-sex relations, also. We can't cherry-pick which laws to follow.
    But you do, all the time. There are literally thousands of behaviours mentioned in the Bible as 'abominable' or 'sinful' that Christians commit every day without thinking. Eating pork comes to mind, but the list is extensive, and Christians pick'n'choose and fix on just a few, like homosexuality, to hold up as the 'biggies', mostly due to sublimated homoeroticism imho. Now THAT'S hypocrisy.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think the key diference between you and I is that you have your own versions of institutions, where as I conform to the institution.

    I don't have a version of God's law, God's law has a version of a subject; me.
    You have an interpretation of what God's law is, whether you willing want to see it or not. Others have another interpretation of what that law is. Unless you have directly talked to God, and He told you, directly, not through the Bible or anyone else, that marriage is only between one man and one woman then you really don't know if what you believe is true or not. Telling others that their interpretation is wrong is a statement of your own beliefs, but isn't necessarily what God wants.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Then at best, you have contradictory Scripture in which you are following...
    Well yeah when you keep taking scripture out of context like you did you can make it say anything. I mean I could even jump back with the same passage and say "yes God judges what's in their heart, and he judged their heart as sinful and thus banned same-sex relations".

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