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Thread: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Not true, not true at all.
    It's absolutly true. If you've chosen to place your relationship under the rules of scripture, then as scripture very clearly establishes marriage as a man/woman affiar and very clearly forbids same-sex relations, the gay couple must part ways in the process of repenting for their sin.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You changed the vernacular so as to agree with society that your relationships are fundamentally different.

    If society is unjustly discriminating against you, why would you worry about offending them? What respect of yours has society earned that you should regard with civility?
    It's not just the LGBT community that has changed the vernacular, it is society that has changed the vernacular. The LGBT community is not in a vacuum, and is affected by the rest of the world. And most straight people do not refer to LGBT relationships with the terms wife/husband, but with the term partner. I know LGBT people who refer to their partners as girlfriends/wifes etc, but I don't know any straight people who do.


    You would be exploiting the same legal system that so many heteros exploit today, and for all the same legal benefits, without regard for how your actions contribute to the 50% divorce rate, just as so many heteros do.
    How does our actions contribute to the 50% divorce rate, and why should we be denied the legal benefits of marriage because of the rate of divorces?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In your particular brand of Christian life, perhaps. I know many Gay Christians, many who have had their relationships blessed in church.
    Well it follows that a couple who choose to live a hypocritical life by claiming to live by God's law while violating that law would seek out like-minded hypocrites who filed some paperwork and opened a church. Birds of a feather, and all.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well it follows that a couple who choose to live a hypocritical life by claiming to live by God's law while violating that law would seek out like-minded hypocrites who filed some paperwork and opened a church. Birds of a feather, and all.
    Agreed, entirely.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's absolutly true. If you've chosen to place your relationship under the rules of scripture, then as scripture very clearly establishes marriage as a man/woman affiar and very clearly forbids same-sex relations, the gay couple must part ways in the process of repenting for their sin.
    In your version of Christianity maybe, but not everybody's. There are many churches who accept, LGBT Christians, and have same sex marriage ceremonies, and do not believe homosexuality is a sin. You can think whatever you want about them, but don't pretend that it's not possible to live as a Christian LGBT person.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well it follows that a couple who choose to live a hypocritical life by claiming to live by God's law while violating that law would seek out like-minded hypocrites who filed some paperwork and opened a church. Birds of a feather, and all.
    And why exactly is your version of God's law right, and mine not? Did he personally speak to you?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well it follows that a couple who choose to live a hypocritical life by claiming to live by God's law while violating that law would seek out like-minded hypocrites who filed some paperwork and opened a church. Birds of a feather, and all.
    In your more extremist and fundamentalist sects of Christianity perhaps this is accepted dogma, but it is far from being the only Christian attitude. Thankfully. But then, there are many, many Christian sects who approve divorce despite far more explicit scriptural injunctions against it than homosexuality.
    “I hate divorce, says the LORD God of Israel.” Malachi 2:16
    “So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” Matthew 19:6
    Are you prepared to categorically condemn all divorce too?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's not just the LGBT community that has changed the vernacular, it is society that has changed the vernacular?
    But gays were a party to the change. See no one is going to tell me what a woman means to me. Not society or anyone else. Only I could know that so only I will define it. You say that gays have already let others tell them how they feel, so why then crumb on me when I appear to do the same? Why don't you keep the tradition of your gay for-fathers and adjust your vocabulary to meet the demands I impose on you?

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    The LGBT community is not in a vacuum, and is affected by the rest of the world.
    Just as a given marriage does not exist in a vacuum and affects and is affected by the rest of the world. I agree.

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    And most straight people do not refer to LGBT relationships with the terms wife/husband, but with the term partner.
    Because that's what gays define themselves as.

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    I know LGBT people who refer to their partners as girlfriends/wifes etc, but I don't know any straight people who do.
    Wow see that's all we use. Boy/girlfriend, husband, wife, fiance's....that's all we use.

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    How does our actions contribute to the 50% divorce rate, and why should we be denied the legal benefits of marriage because of the rate of divorces?
    How do the actions of gays contribute to the divorce rate today: Some gays will live a lie, get married, have children, and later divorce.
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    How gays could contribute to the divorce rate when SSM is legalized is easy: You're just like us, remember? You will marry to young. You will choose the wrong person. One of you will become religious or loose the faith. You will marry cross-culture. You will marry cross-race. Some of you will commit felonies and be divorced. Some of you will serve openly in the military and come home to find your same-sex spouse has been cheating on you. Some of you will be in abusive relationships. But most of all, you will fight about money, just like everyone else. If gays are just like heteros, then as heteros have a 50% divorce rate, so will gays have a 50% divorce rate.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In your more extremist and fundamentalist sects of Christianity perhaps this is accepted dogma, but it is far from being the only Christian attitude. Thankfully. But then, there are many, many Christian sects who approve divorce despite far more explicit scriptural injunctions against it than homosexuality.


    Are you prepared to categorically condemn all divorce too?
    I think I've don nothing but condemn divorce on this thread.

    The only 'out' Jesus, whom you quote, gives to marriage other than death is marital unfaithfulness. If one spouse cheats on the other and then the other seeks a divorce, who 'caused' them to separate?

    The legal divorce was reactionary to an initial breach of contract by the other spouse.

    The guilt of the divorce falls on the one who caused it, not necessarily the one who filed the paperwork. The one who files the paperwork can be every bit the victim.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're now in the proper thread.
    No, I'm not, because I have no idea what came before and after those particular posts. If you would like to link to the discussion, I will be happy to discuss it with you in that thread.
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