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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm glad you said this, and I'm glad you feel that way.

    What I did was reflect pro-SSM's vocabulary back at them to show how they've been disrespectful to the institution all along.
    That has got to be the weakest excuse ever.

    By the way Jerry, my default first argument is that SSM is good for families.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Yes. I think that SSM lends a totally different perspective on homosexuality. Rather than being viewed as simply living together or being partners, allowing SSM in itself changes the view to family, because married people ARE family. Thus, rather than appearing as only a "life-style" choice, SSM shows that homosexuals are not some counter-culture, anti-family group that serves the devil, but rather simply PEOPLE who have a family and wish to live it as makes them happy. Ultimately, I believe this is why so many are ardently opposed to SSM, for if just allowed, they fear homosexuality will become widely "accepted" and promoted.
    While most people who oppose SSM usually base their objection on scripture, it's worth pointing out that scripture also bans mixed-religion and mixed-culture (= race) marriages just as much as SSM.

    Those things became accepted because they also claimed to promote the family, even while they are in fact higher-risk unions.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm glad you said this, and I'm glad you feel that way.

    What I did was reflect pro-SSM's vocabulary back at them to show how they've been disrespectful to the institution all along.
    So SSM advocates tell Traditional Marriage advocates what they should call each other? I don't remember seing that. Care to provide some quotes/

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That has got to be the weakest excuse ever.

    By the way Jerry, my default first argument is that SSM is good for families.
    Hey, I'm not going to make any attempt to hold actual debate if you're gona keep acting like that. The purpose of the post in question was to reflect pro-SSM's vocabulary back at them. You don't have to believe me, but if you have something rude like that to say then as you're a Mod I invite you to say it in the forum where I can respond in kind.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    BTW, are you going to ever address any of my actual points, instead of making these petty comments trying to imply that I don't truly want equality for everyone? Doing so would certainly make your argument look better.
    I was just wondering myself if you were going to address my challenges to your argument.....

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    It what way(s) is the current license inadequate? Specific examples of regulation would be appreciated.
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    I apologize for having missed these examples. Would you mind re-posting them?

    Just as "husband" and "wife" were replaced with "person 1" and "person 2", all we have to do is add "person 3". Anyone with basic Microsoft Office Word 2011 skills can so alter a form.

    I apologize but this sounds a lot like anti-SSM when they say if you let men mary men then you have to let men marry dogs. I think a limit of 4 spouses is reasonable AND established in "the traditions, history and culture of the people"; thus establishing polygamy as a basic human right.

    Just add "person 3".

    Present regulation regarding "Community Property" require equal shares for each spouse unless there are special considerations which require a hearing.

    Yes.

    if you were business partners and your partner wanted to add someone as an equal, they would require your consent. This is no different.

    2 men rob a bank, are caught, and ordered to testify against each other or get a longer sentence. According to you, we shouldn't allow gay marriage otherwise these 2 men could marry each other to take advantage of Spousal Privilege.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So SSM advocates tell Traditional Marriage advocates what they should call each other? I don't remember seing that. Care to provide some quotes/
    Sounds like someone's trying to argue

    No no, pro-SSM separate themselves from 'traditional' marriage by using alien terminology. Constant use of "partner" by you're typical gay couple is something which shows that they are not simply a variation on a theme, but something distinctly different.

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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    read much? I have said that I have 2 bio and two adopted kids at least twice in this very thread.
    No I am not reading all the posts. I didn't see that so I asked. Why did you adopt? Are you gay or are you defective as has been suggested in this thread?
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I didn't say its diminished, I said its not "Just like" a straight couple because its not "just like" a straight couple. For it to be "just like" a straight couple a homosexual couple would need to be able to produce a larger family unit through intercourse between the two of them without assistance of outside means in the creation of said child.

    That doesn't belittle it or state that ones promotion of family is necessarily "better", but they are not "just like" each other in their ability and their methods of how they are able to do it.

    An orange is good for you. An apple is good for you. They both promote good health. They both promote good health in similar ways and in some ways that are exaclty alike. However an orange is not "just like" an apple with regards to how it helps your health.
    I think we're misunderstanding each other, I'm not denying that LGBT couples are different then straight couples, and how they become parents are different. I'm saying that marriage provides the same benefits, family structure, and other incentives to promote people to have children, no matter who is in the marriage.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sounds like someone's trying to argue

    No no, pro-SSM separate themselves from 'traditional' marriage by using alien terminology. Constant use of "partner" by you're typical gay couple is something which shows that they are not simply a variation on a theme, but something distinctly different.
    Well if we were allowed to marry, I'm sure the vernacular would change.
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    Re: Does Same Sex Marriage promote family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I think we're misunderstanding each other, I'm not denying that LGBT couples are different then straight couples, and how they become parents are different. I'm saying that marriage provides the same benefits, family structure, and other incentives to promote people to have children, no matter who is in the marriage.
    Nope, I get your point clearly, and I'm saying I don't agree. They share many of the same benefits, family structure, and other incentives to promote people to have children and create a family.

    However, the primary family structure promoted from opposite sex marriage proportionally is a biological family structure where the additional members of the family are biologically tied to each of the parents and created by the parents. The primary family structure promoted from same sex marriage proportionally is either an adoptive one or one where there is a singular biological link. I do not believe that one of those is necessarily "promoting family" more than the other, both types of marriages tend to promote a stable family structure in some sense. My statement is that they are not "just like" each other in terms of the ways and types of family structures and promotion that occurs.

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