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Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

Here's what I thought of the video content...

  • Disgusting. Planned Parenthood should be investigated and this office manager criminally charged

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • Morally corrupt. PP gave bad advice and this office manager should be immediately fired

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Questionable. PP did nothing wrong. The office manager should be suspended pending investigation

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Nothing Wrong. PP did their job; nothing wrong was done

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • Joke. PP / office manager should be accomodated for the great work in this video

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ahchy pahchy dominahchee

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .

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Watch the video, take the poll, discuss the topic.

 
I'd call the manager un-professional but I dont see anything criminal going on.
 
Did you hear about the cop who beat his wife? Based on that, the police should be prosecuted and are morally corrupt.

Seriously, this reminds me of when the GoP had the issues with misuse of funds a few months back. It looks bad for those involved, but not the whole organization.
 
Do you think that this is a single incident involving a single individual within planned parenthood, or do you believe that this is happening on a widespread basis with PP's involvement?
 
There needs to be an investigation into the entire organization.
 
i can't see the video. where can i find it?
 
Watch the video, take the poll, discuss the topic.



We haven't learned, yet, that taking a hobbled video for it's present 'face value' on the internet is a bad idea?

Sometimes things can be legitimate - sometimes they aren't.

As we should have learned in these years is that people pushing an agenda will do anything to argue for their case and to take their "evidence" and present it as out of context, chopped and offensive as possible against those that they oppose.

It's happened often in the last few years - and a few times it's been proven to be nothing.
 
can't see the video. is this more of the "planned parenthood is a racist organization who is trying to abort as many black babies as possible" crappola?
 
Did you hear about the cop who beat his wife? Based on that, the police should be prosecuted and are morally corrupt.
No haven't heard, but if there's a video of the cop describing how he beat his wife in detail, and what he did before during and after... it might warrant some looking into.

So just one bad apple here - is that what your saying?
 
We haven't learned, yet, that taking a hobbled video for it's present 'face value' on the internet is a bad idea?

Sometimes things can be legitimate - sometimes they aren't.
Can you provide me any legitimate reason that this office manager would be giving such advice, given the context provided to her?

As far as learning - I'm just posting the video to stand on it's own - you make the call. Notice in my OP, I provided zero, nada opinion? :2wave:

It's happened often in the last few years - and a few times it's been proven to be nothing.
So is this also nothing?
 
No haven't heard, but if there's a video of the cop describing how he beat his wife in detail, and what he did before during and after... it might warrant some looking into.

So just one bad apple here - is that what your saying?

So if you had a video of a cop beating his wife, it would warrant looking into all cops? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? The absolute worst case you have some one acting stupid, the worst case is the whole thing is dishonest.

This whole "I am just presenting the video" crap doesn't fly. You would not be presenting the video if it was not something you wanted to believe.
 
So if you had a video of a cop beating his wife, it would warrant looking into all cops? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
You're the only one saying it - I'm simply asking if you think this is one bad apple.

The absolute worst case you have some one acting stupid, the worst case is the whole thing is dishonest.
So you have no opinion then?

This whole "I am just presenting the video" crap doesn't fly. You would not be presenting the video if it was not something you wanted to believe.
See you as a mod should know this: This is a poll and in the poll, I present a situation (a video in this case) and then present a wide range of possible answers to that poll ranging from "Disgusting" to "Joke". I'm not required to post an opinion even though I have one. I'm not going to poison the poll by presenting my opinion because my opinion is irrelevant. I'm interested in what others believe and I'm asking questions to help clarify. If it doesn't fly for you --- you're not required to respond any further.
 
Here is an interesting little bit: AP Exclusive: Planned Parenthood seeks FBI probe - SFGate

Note the date of a week ago on this story.

Planned Parenthood's vice president for communications, Stuart Schear, said the organization has requested an FBI probe of the man's claims and has already fielded some initial FBI inquiries.

Turns out, Planned Parenthood turned the guy in and requested the FBI check out his claims. They did this before the video ever surfaced. Looks like PP acted responsibly. Funny how this was not mentioned in the OP...
 
Here is an interesting little bit: AP Exclusive: Planned Parenthood seeks FBI probe - SFGate

Note the date of a week ago on this story.



Turns out, Planned Parenthood turned the guy in and requested the FBI check out his claims. They did this before the video ever surfaced. Looks like PP acted responsibly. Funny how this was not mentioned in the OP...

So here's some local views, and I know you might be partial to a SanFran periodical.

Newark Examiner.com said:
Planned Parenthood has already demanded that LiveAction be investigated by the FBI. LiveAction has sent full, unabridged footage to US Attorney General Eric Holder, New Jersey Attorney General Paula Dow, several FBI officials, and various other federal and State law-enforcement agencies.

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Pro-life undercover operative stings NJ Planned Parenthood - Newark Essex County Conservative | Examiner.com Pro-life undercover operative stings NJ Planned Parenthood - Newark Essex County Conservative | Examiner.com

Newark Star Ledger said:
Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for New Jersey Attorney Paula Dow, says Dow's office is "looking into the allegations."

Phyllis Kinsler, chief executive officer of Planned Parenthood of Central New Jersey, added that the clinic employee's behavior, as portrayed on the video, "violates PPCNJ policies, as well as our core values of protecting the welfare of minors and complying with the law, and appropriate action is being taken."
Anti-abortion group seeks to discredit N.J. clinic, releases undercover video | NJ.com

So is this just one bad apple?
 
So here's some local views, and I know you might be partial to a SanFran periodical.

So is this just one bad apple?

Who knows. Here, let's look at the Planned Parenthood statement on this(again, somehow now included in the OP so we had facts to judge with):

Planned Parenthood insists on the highest standards of care, and safeguards the trusted relationship we have with patients, families and communities. What appears on edited tapes made public today is not consistent with Planned Parenthood's practices, and is under review. Phyllis Kinsler, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Central New Jersey (PPCNJ), has stated that, "the behavior of our employee, as portrayed on the video, if accurate, violates PPCNJ policies, as well as our core values of protecting the welfare of minors and complying with the law, and appropriate action is being taken."

Note that immediately after the encounter on the tape, PP did notify the authorities. So we have some questions. What was edited? Did the guy lead the videotaper along to gather information, or did he mean what he said? Without answers to either of those highly relevant questions, it is impossible to judge with any kind of accuracy what happened. PP has acted entirely appropriately in this situation.
 
Who knows.
That's all I wanted to know.

Worth repeating:

Newark Examiner.com said:
LiveAction has sent full, unabridged footage to US Attorney General Eric Holder, New Jersey Attorney General Paula Dow, several FBI officials, and various other federal and State law-enforcement agencies.
 
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What really pisses me off about PPH is that they were originally about helping to teach about birth control, and they just became a big pro-abortion org. They just had to go hard left, they couldn't remain reasonable.
 
That's all I wanted to know.

Worth repeating:

Which says nothing about the video you linked in the OP. It is impossible currently for any one without both the unedited video and details from every one involved to judge this, which makes the question in the poll of no value. Being asked to judge in an absence of data is impossible. Not you, not I, nor any one else here has enough data to judge and therefore answer the question offered in the poll.
 
Can you provide me any legitimate reason that this office manager would be giving such advice, given the context provided to her?

As far as learning - I'm just posting the video to stand on it's own - you make the call. Notice in my OP, I provided zero, nada opinion? :2wave:

So is this also nothing?

I gave my opinion - it could be staged, it could be faked. It's chopped together so it could be taking everything she says out of context.
:shrug:

Whenever there is any issue - no matter what (sexism, racism, drug use, impropriety, violation of the Geneva Convention and on and on) I always say that if there's a legitimate concern then the proper response should be sought through the proper channels - and that hardly requires posting a video on youtube.

I've tried to stop responding to videos and clips and rumors with knee jerk emotions - I prefer to pine for facts.
When there are no immediate facts to pine for - I like to wait. . .I've jumped to conclusions before and regretted - and if there's legitimacy then it would proceed as all other investigations do - and through that means we'll find out more solid details.
 
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Presuming this "sting" was not deceptively edited, that manager crossed the line when she suggested lying, and ways to avoid PP's mandatory reporting policy for underage minors. However, she is correct that underage minors can receive examinations, pregnancy tests, STD tests and treatments, and, yes, abortions without parental consent. That's how it should be.

However, this sting puts the clinic in a real quandary, choosing between reporting the young girls' sexual activity, which violates medical privacy laws and would potentially result in the girls not getting needed treatment, or treating the girls and violating PP policies. That's exactly the quandary these sting instigators wished to lay out on film... basically a lose-lose situation for PP.

That said, this PP manager should be investigated. It's one thing to be in a quandary about opposing policies, and quite another to suggest lying and give the pimp "business" advice on further exploiting these girls.
 
This type of video is basically the same sort of thing media matters does.
 
Then you are deaf and blind.
I see someone laying out what has to happen if certain things are said, something that isnt unusual at all. Where it sounds un-professional is when red flags start popping up and she tries to avoid hearing things that would require her to report them. Avoiding paperwork when you are required to deal with the situation is not professional.

The people never said anything about the girl being a "sex slave", just that she was under-age and they were both sex workers.
 
When there are no immediate facts to pine for - I like to wait. . .I've jumped to conclusions before and regretted - and if there's legitimacy then it would proceed as all other investigations do - and through that means we'll find out more solid details.

I'll go out on a limb on this one and say that, taking each section at face value, not only should (and she was) she be fired, but she may have broken laws given the answers she provided. Just because of edits, I don't discount content. For example, if I saw 3 old lady's tortured and then shot in the head on an edited tape where we know that the 3 lady's were indeed tortured and shot dead, I would not excuse the video and hold my judgement and excuse the actions because the video tape was edited.

You do what you feel is best for you - I just don't share your view in this case.
 
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