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  • Disgusting. Planned Parenthood should be investigated and this office manager criminally charged

    9 18.37%
  • Morally corrupt. PP gave bad advice and this office manager should be immediately fired

    3 6.12%
  • Questionable. PP did nothing wrong. The office manager should be suspended pending investigation

    4 8.16%
  • Nothing Wrong. PP did their job; nothing wrong was done

    31 63.27%
  • Joke. PP / office manager should be accomodated for the great work in this video

    0 0%
  • Ahchy pahchy dominahchee

    2 4.08%
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Thread: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No haven't heard, but if there's a video of the cop describing how he beat his wife in detail, and what he did before during and after... it might warrant some looking into.

    So just one bad apple here - is that what your saying?
    So if you had a video of a cop beating his wife, it would warrant looking into all cops? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? The absolute worst case you have some one acting stupid, the worst case is the whole thing is dishonest.

    This whole "I am just presenting the video" crap doesn't fly. You would not be presenting the video if it was not something you wanted to believe.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So if you had a video of a cop beating his wife, it would warrant looking into all cops? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
    You're the only one saying it - I'm simply asking if you think this is one bad apple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The absolute worst case you have some one acting stupid, the worst case is the whole thing is dishonest.
    So you have no opinion then?

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    This whole "I am just presenting the video" crap doesn't fly. You would not be presenting the video if it was not something you wanted to believe.
    See you as a mod should know this: This is a poll and in the poll, I present a situation (a video in this case) and then present a wide range of possible answers to that poll ranging from "Disgusting" to "Joke". I'm not required to post an opinion even though I have one. I'm not going to poison the poll by presenting my opinion because my opinion is irrelevant. I'm interested in what others believe and I'm asking questions to help clarify. If it doesn't fly for you --- you're not required to respond any further.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    Here is an interesting little bit: AP Exclusive: Planned Parenthood seeks FBI probe - SFGate

    Note the date of a week ago on this story.

    Planned Parenthood's vice president for communications, Stuart Schear, said the organization has requested an FBI probe of the man's claims and has already fielded some initial FBI inquiries.
    Turns out, Planned Parenthood turned the guy in and requested the FBI check out his claims. They did this before the video ever surfaced. Looks like PP acted responsibly. Funny how this was not mentioned in the OP...
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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    That particular manager should be investigated.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is an interesting little bit: AP Exclusive: Planned Parenthood seeks FBI probe - SFGate

    Note the date of a week ago on this story.



    Turns out, Planned Parenthood turned the guy in and requested the FBI check out his claims. They did this before the video ever surfaced. Looks like PP acted responsibly. Funny how this was not mentioned in the OP...
    So here's some local views, and I know you might be partial to a SanFran periodical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Newark Examiner.com
    Planned Parenthood has already demanded that LiveAction be investigated by the FBI. LiveAction has sent full, unabridged footage to US Attorney General Eric Holder, New Jersey Attorney General Paula Dow, several FBI officials, and various other federal and State law-enforcement agencies.

    Continue reading on Examiner.com: Pro-life undercover operative stings NJ Planned Parenthood - Newark Essex County Conservative | Examiner.com Pro-life undercover operative stings NJ Planned Parenthood - Newark Essex County Conservative | Examiner.com
    Quote Originally Posted by Newark Star Ledger
    Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for New Jersey Attorney Paula Dow, says Dow's office is "looking into the allegations."

    Phyllis Kinsler, chief executive officer of Planned Parenthood of Central New Jersey, added that the clinic employee's behavior, as portrayed on the video, "violates PPCNJ policies, as well as our core values of protecting the welfare of minors and complying with the law, and appropriate action is being taken."
    Anti-abortion group seeks to discredit N.J. clinic, releases undercover video | NJ.com
    So is this just one bad apple?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So here's some local views, and I know you might be partial to a SanFran periodical.

    So is this just one bad apple?
    Who knows. Here, let's look at the Planned Parenthood statement on this(again, somehow now included in the OP so we had facts to judge with):

    Planned Parenthood insists on the highest standards of care, and safeguards the trusted relationship we have with patients, families and communities. What appears on edited tapes made public today is not consistent with Planned Parenthood's practices, and is under review. Phyllis Kinsler, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Central New Jersey (PPCNJ), has stated that, "the behavior of our employee, as portrayed on the video, if accurate, violates PPCNJ policies, as well as our core values of protecting the welfare of minors and complying with the law, and appropriate action is being taken."
    Note that immediately after the encounter on the tape, PP did notify the authorities. So we have some questions. What was edited? Did the guy lead the videotaper along to gather information, or did he mean what he said? Without answers to either of those highly relevant questions, it is impossible to judge with any kind of accuracy what happened. PP has acted entirely appropriately in this situation.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Who knows.
    That's all I wanted to know.

    Worth repeating:

    Quote Originally Posted by Newark Examiner.com
    LiveAction has sent full, unabridged footage to US Attorney General Eric Holder, New Jersey Attorney General Paula Dow, several FBI officials, and various other federal and State law-enforcement agencies.
    Last edited by Ockham; 02-01-11 at 07:51 PM.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    What really pisses me off about PPH is that they were originally about helping to teach about birth control, and they just became a big pro-abortion org. They just had to go hard left, they couldn't remain reasonable.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's all I wanted to know.

    Worth repeating:
    Which says nothing about the video you linked in the OP. It is impossible currently for any one without both the unedited video and details from every one involved to judge this, which makes the question in the poll of no value. Being asked to judge in an absence of data is impossible. Not you, not I, nor any one else here has enough data to judge and therefore answer the question offered in the poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
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    Re: Planned Parenthood: Right, Wrong or Indifferent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Can you provide me any legitimate reason that this office manager would be giving such advice, given the context provided to her?

    As far as learning - I'm just posting the video to stand on it's own - you make the call. Notice in my OP, I provided zero, nada opinion?

    So is this also nothing?
    I gave my opinion - it could be staged, it could be faked. It's chopped together so it could be taking everything she says out of context.


    Whenever there is any issue - no matter what (sexism, racism, drug use, impropriety, violation of the Geneva Convention and on and on) I always say that if there's a legitimate concern then the proper response should be sought through the proper channels - and that hardly requires posting a video on youtube.

    I've tried to stop responding to videos and clips and rumors with knee jerk emotions - I prefer to pine for facts.
    When there are no immediate facts to pine for - I like to wait. . .I've jumped to conclusions before and regretted - and if there's legitimacy then it would proceed as all other investigations do - and through that means we'll find out more solid details.
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