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Thread: Should the government legislate morality?

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think someone who abuses children deserve to have their rights taken away from them.
    This is wide open to debate.....define "abuse".
    Forget the obvious (physical), go to the mental abuse, the self-esteem thing..
    Many people simply do not know any better..
    Extremism enters the picture.

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Morality based on fairness (i.e. its bad to kill someone or steal from someone or rape someone who has done nothing and just trying to go about their business) fine. Morality based on what some 2,000 year old book says is "right" or based on what will be "better" for someone who didn't ask for government advice and who's decisions aren't harming anyone else - absolutely not.

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    And what is it, exactly, that makes your notions of "fairness" better than someone else's?

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    And what is it, exactly, that makes your notions of "fairness" better than someone else's?
    Common sense. It's my notion that punishing someone for actions that don't harm anyone is unfair.

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    I voted other, some things they should and others they shouldn't. I think the government should legislate morality in some cases like abortion. However other things the government should not, such as gay marriage.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Certainly some people like society's laws because those laws square with their morals. But, is morality the only possible justification for most laws?

    What if, as a society, we decide that we have a consensus that we value certain things simply because we like them. Such as liberty, order, and security? Deciding that we value these things is not a moral decision, it is a selfish one. We value them because it makes the vast majority of us happy to have them. If laws are based on these values, then their justifications need not be moral justifications.

    I think it is important that society avoid moral justifications.

    As a side note, I think morality largely happens to spring from the same fount as the justifications I propose above, though not entirely. But even so, there is some departure, and it is in those matters where law and morality ought to diverge.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The government legislates morality all the time, such as making murder a felony. I'm okay with murder being a crime.
    yet there are other sound reasons to make murder illegal-ie to prevent anarchy and vigilante justice. however, there are no other reasons to say ban liquor sales on sunday or hunting on sunday



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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    And you'd be wrong, but this is America and you have every right to be wrong!



    Have a seat so you don't faint. Are you sitting down? Good. Because the fact is that I personally don't care if brothers and sisters want to get married. I consider it a huge ick factor myself, but I don't believe the government has the right to criminalize it. Or bigamy. Or polygamy, for that matter. All I care about is that all parties are consenting adults, not duped spouses being lied to by someone with a secret life.

    Grown ups have a right to do icky things, things I personally would never do. I don't believe the government has the right to criminalize behaviors between consenting adults, period. And yes, that extends to assisted suicide. Government needs to keep our society safe from those who would infringe upon our bodies, our property and our freedoms without our consent. Morality is not in the government's job description as far as I'm concerned.
    Don't we have incest laws to keep them from reproducing? I thought the law was to protect against that and not the ick factor. Anyway, for whatever reason, I think brother/sister father/daughter marriages should remain illegal.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    One aspect of law is to define the basic, agreed upon morality of a given society, so it is appropriate for government to "legislate morality". The debate then becomes about the agreed upon morality. Generally speaking, almost everyone is going to push for at least a few laws which are a part of their own moral code, but that are not "agreed upon" by the society as a whole. These proposed laws tend to be shot down.

    One of the reasons I consider myself an anti-federalists is because of the interconnected nature of morality and law. I believe that there is a greater likelihood of gaining a social agreement on a specific morality on the small scale, but that as the population affected by the morality increases, the likelihood of agreement decreases and this leads to disenfranchisement and discord within the population.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is wide open to debate.....define "abuse".
    Forget the obvious (physical), go to the mental abuse, the self-esteem thing..
    Many people simply do not know any better..
    Extremism enters the picture.
    Well, we were specifically talking about sexual abuse. I can't ignore the obvious, the obvious is what I was referring to.
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