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Thread: Should the government legislate morality?

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Like CC said, all laws are morally based. There are consequences for not obeying the law. So the government doesn't exactly force people to live a moral life, but it does punish them for not doing so.
    All laws are not morally based... especially by-stander laws. You are pretty much protected from being punished if you watch somebody die... A lot of decisions made in family court doesn't seem right or moral to me...

    Reminds me of another thread... should child abusers be sterilized, so they don't have more children to abuse and hurt? It sounds morally reasonable, but enforcing it would be in violation of the abusers rights...

    There are sometimes conflicts between rights and morals...

    To answer the question, the law shouldn't be based on morals because it's impossible to prove whose brand of morality is correct. I also think that by allowing the law to be based on morality, religions would just fight each other over government control and the right to impose authority. Ironically, churches and religious groups can do some pretty damn immoral things IMO... so the law should absolutely not be based entirely on morals.

    Although morals are not universal to individuals, all individuals have a sense of morality... unless the individual is mentally ill. Individuals can governthemselves morally... no take out "govern." Humans don't need to be governed morally, because humans have the capacity to be moral without authoritative structures like churches and government defining morality.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Depends. What do you mean by morality?

    If we're talking about banning same-sex marriage and waging a war on drugs because they make Baby Jesus cry, then no, government should not be involved. If we're talking about deciding together, as a society, that there are certain things we aren't willing to tolerate (e.g. human rights abuses, corporations taking advantage of weak people, being unable to get health care when you get sick), then yes, government absolutely should be involved.
    lol

    Making baby Jesus cry should be a crime...

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    All laws are not morally based... especially by-stander laws. You are pretty much protected from being punished if you watch somebody die... A lot of decisions made in family court doesn't seem right or moral to me...

    Reminds me of another thread... should child abusers be sterilized, so they don't have more children to abuse and hurt? It sounds morally reasonable, but enforcing it would be in violation of the abusers rights...
    Yeah, might hurt their self esteem or something.
    The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The government should not legislate morality. The government should legislate behavior which harms other people without their consent. That covers not only the obvious crimes of violence, but also acts of fraud, theft, vandelism, contractual violations, etc. These are society laws.

    The government should not legislate "moral" behavior such as sexual orientation, forced church attendance, specific systems of belief (religious or otherrwise), any behavior between consenting adults, or victimless behavior, like prostitution and use of drugs, alcohol or tobacco (although the government can certainly legislate the consequence of recklessly abusing these substances, creating potential harm to others in the process).
    This is a good post... I agree

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, might hurt their self esteem or something.
    What is your position on that?

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What is your position on that?
    I think someone who abuses children deserve to have their rights taken away from them.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    These laws are also based on morality. Perhaps not EVERYONE'S morality, but morality nonetheless.
    If any law were based on everyone's morality, there wouldn't need to be a law against it anyway. Laws are for people who don't believe in them.

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think someone who abuses children deserve to have their rights taken away from them.
    I agree... but forced sterilization is really controversial. There's been one Supreme Court ruling that I know of involving forced sterilization as a form of punishment, and it was ruled unconstitutional under the equal protection clause and a violation of due process.

    Skinner v Oklahoma, I believe… so the law isn't always on the side of what's moral.

    It's really easy to see the law protecting immorality when you look a free speech... What's moral about the Westboro Baptist Church being allowed to protest funerals of soliders and the funeral of the little girl who was killed in Tuscon? Morality steps in when good people go to those funerals and hold up American flags to block those @ssholes from being seen...

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    peepnklown and psychoclown, hmm.
    So, with our powers combine are we super libertarian?
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    And you'd be wrong, but this is America and you have every right to be wrong!



    Have a seat so you don't faint. Are you sitting down? Good. Because the fact is that I personally don't care if brothers and sisters want to get married. I consider it a huge ick factor myself, but I don't believe the government has the right to criminalize it. Or bigamy. Or polygamy, for that matter. All I care about is that all parties are consenting adults, not duped spouses being lied to by someone with a secret life.

    Grown ups have a right to do icky things, things I personally would never do. I don't believe the government has the right to criminalize behaviors between consenting adults, period. And yes, that extends to assisted suicide. Government needs to keep our society safe from those who would infringe upon our bodies, our property and our freedoms without our consent. Morality is not in the government's job description as far as I'm concerned.
    Agree.
    The Islamics do not agree, and that will be the cause of their downfall.
    And we made a similar mistake with prohibition during the previous century. And another, the Salam witch trials of the 1600s.

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