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Thread: Should the government legislate morality?

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    The government should not legislate morality. The government should legislate behavior which harms other people without their consent. That covers not only the obvious crimes of violence, but also acts of fraud, theft, vandelism, contractual violations, etc. These are society laws.

    The government should not legislate "moral" behavior such as sexual orientation, forced church attendance, specific systems of belief (religious or otherrwise), any behavior between consenting adults, or victimless behavior, like prostitution and use of drugs, alcohol or tobacco (although the government can certainly legislate the consequence of recklessly abusing these substances, creating potential harm to others in the process).

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The government should not legislate morality. The government should legislate behavior which harms other people without their consent. That covers not only the obvious crimes of violence, but also acts of fraud, theft, vandelism, contractual violations, etc. These are society laws.

    The government should not legislate "moral" behavior such as sexual orientation, forced church attendance, specific systems of belief (religious or otherrwise), any behavior between consenting adults, or victimless behavior, like prostitution and use of drugs, alcohol or tobacco (although the government can certainly legislate the consequence of recklessly abusing these substances, creating potential harm to others in the process).
    The government already does legislate morality. All those things you called "society laws" are based on moral concepts. So I vote yes.

    Incidentally you say nothing between consenting adults should be illegal. How about if an adult brother and sister want to get married? It's gross, I know but I'm not the one advocating it be legal.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Should we send adulterers to federal prison? No? Then we're not legislating morality.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Should we send adulterers to federal prison? No? Then we're not legislating morality.
    Yes, because that is the only thing that has moral implications.
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    The government already does legislate morality. All those things you called "society laws" are based on moral concepts. So I vote yes.
    And you'd be wrong, but this is America and you have every right to be wrong!

    Incidentally you say nothing between consenting adults should be illegal. How about if an adult brother and sister want to get married? It's gross, I know but I'm not the one advocating it be legal.
    Have a seat so you don't faint. Are you sitting down? Good. Because the fact is that I personally don't care if brothers and sisters want to get married. I consider it a huge ick factor myself, but I don't believe the government has the right to criminalize it. Or bigamy. Or polygamy, for that matter. All I care about is that all parties are consenting adults, not duped spouses being lied to by someone with a secret life.

    Grown ups have a right to do icky things, things I personally would never do. I don't believe the government has the right to criminalize behaviors between consenting adults, period. And yes, that extends to assisted suicide. Government needs to keep our society safe from those who would infringe upon our bodies, our property and our freedoms without our consent. Morality is not in the government's job description as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    And you'd be wrong, but this is America and you have every right to be wrong!
    Are not morals the laws or rules dealing with right and wrong?
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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The government should not legislate morality. The government should legislate behavior which harms other people without their consent. That covers not only the obvious crimes of violence, but also acts of fraud, theft, vandelism, contractual violations, etc. These are society laws.

    The government should not legislate "moral" behavior such as sexual orientation, forced church attendance, specific systems of belief (religious or otherrwise), any behavior between consenting adults, or victimless behavior, like prostitution and use of drugs, alcohol or tobacco (although the government can certainly legislate the consequence of recklessly abusing these substances, creating potential harm to others in the process).
    I agree with some of your conclusions, but I think you are begging the question. You are speaking of what you think the limits of government should be. You are necessarily using some sort of political morality to decide what the limits of government are. If you are going to make, or establish laws (legislate), you therefore have to invoke some theory of political morality to decide what those laws should or should not be.

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    No, Star...I love ya and think you represent yourself very well...but I am not changing my mind re gay marriage...

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I agree with some of your conclusions, but I think you are begging the question. You are speaking of what you think the limits of government should be. You are necessarily using some sort of political morality to decide what the limits of government are. If you are going to make, or establish laws (legislate), you therefore have to invoke some theory of political morality to decide what those laws should or should not be.
    What conclusions of mine do you believe are incorrect, and what theory of political morality do you believe I should invoke in order to support my conclusions? Serious question, not a troll at all.

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    Re: Should the government legislate morality?

    I agree with post #5
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