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Health Care Law: Do you support sending it straight to the U.S. Supreme Court?

Health Care Law: Do you support sending it straight to the U.S. Supreme Court?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 59.3%

  • No

    Votes: 11 40.7%
  • Total voters
    27
GPS_Flex

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Considering the time, money, uncertainty in the business world and political wrangling that will take place over the next couple of years before the Supreme Court hears this case, would you prefer to see this issue brought before the Supreme Court within the next 60 to 90 days or do you think it should first be dragged out over several years with multiple District Court opinions, Appeals Court opinions etc.?
 
GPS_Flex said:
Considering the time, money, uncertainty in the business world and political wrangling that will take place over the next couple of years before the Supreme Court hears this case, would you prefer to see this issue brought before the Supreme Court within the next 60 to 90 days or do you think it should first be dragged out over several years with multiple District Court opinions, Appeals Court opinions etc.?
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The health care law should be treated the same as any other law, so no, I do not support sending it straight to the supreme court.
 
molten_dragon said:
The health care law should be treated the same as any other law, so no, I do not support sending it straight to the supreme court.
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Of course not, you want to keep "the hope alive".

It needs to go there, and be killed. Then maybe we can get the House and Senate to actually craft a constitutional, helpful and productive bill that fixes problems instead of wastes money, puts us in debt and is mainly a "permanent vote machine" for one party.
 
It needs to sent the Supreme Court for that "One Shot, One Kill" that the Supreme Court can do.
 
5-4 against the law.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Considering the time, money, uncertainty in the business world and political wrangling that will take place over the next couple of years before the Supreme Court hears this case, would you prefer to see this issue brought before the Supreme Court within the next 60 to 90 days or do you think it should first be dragged out over several years with multiple District Court opinions, Appeals Court opinions etc.?
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Yes, because it will end up there anyway.
 
Yes, it affects all Americans
 
I do not support sending it straight to the Supreme Court, but I support it going to the Court. Just because people do not like the law doesn't mean that it can skip the steps between.
 
randel said:
and if it is upheld....??
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What? Is anything other than what one side, the RIGHT side, wants even possible? :coffeepap

Jet, start another pot. This may be a long one. ;)
 
Until it is decided by the S.C. all these little rulings here and there are meaningless. So yes it should go the Supreme Court.
 
jamesrage said:
Until it is decided by the S.C. all these little rulings here and there are meaningless. So yes it should go the Supreme Court.
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Yes, they are. But this is our process.
 
The health care bill is in need of many improvements. With people who know how to read and write, the paperwork can be reduced.
A public option must be included.
Lets also hope that the decency and quality of our people is not as bad as has been recently shown.
If the Supreme court makes the wrong decision, American progress can be set back by years , I hope the SCOTUS realizes this.
 
cpgrad08 said:
It needs to sent the Supreme Court for that "One Shot, One Kill" that the Supreme Court can do.
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Don't be too sure they will kill it. It's more political than substantive, and since they will vote the Rep way, the way it always does, it will depend on how the political winds blow at the time.

ricksfolly
 
Send it right to the Supreme Robes.........or........slap on an injunction that prevents Obama's subprime health care from being implemented for the time being......
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molten_dragon said:
The health care law should be treated the same as any other law, so no, I do not support sending it straight to the supreme court.
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Really? What a waste of time and money. We alllll know it'll go all the way. Stupid to not put it on a nonstop flight.
 
MaggieD said:
Really? What a waste of time and money. We alllll know it'll go all the way. Stupid to not put it on a nonstop flight.
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It maybe a waste of time since it will end up there, but that doesn't mean that we should skip the process. It is there for a reason. Plus if we do it this time it what happens the next time something like this happens?
 
randel said:
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then we can go back to destroying it via the political route. defunding in 2011, debating in 2012, and overturning with a Republican White House in 2013.
 
I wonder if FDR's social security had the same tortuous route in the 30s, thanks to the wealthy conservatives..
One conservative book, and one liberal, and one unbiased.......
 
I agree it will likely end up before the Supreme Court, but I'm not crazy about bypassing the established process. Once you make an exception here, why not make another for this or that? I say let the system work as it is designed.
 
MrVicchio said:
Of course not, you want to keep "the hope alive".
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Come on Vic, you're better than this. I'm not some mindless partisan hack and you know it, and acting like I am is insulting.

It has nothing to do with wanting to 'keep the hope alive'. I was never a huge fan of this particular healthcare bill in the first place, I just doubted that we'd see anything better.

My reasons for not wanting it to go to the supreme court are simple. When there is a lawsuit alleging that a law is unconstitutional, there is a process it has to go to before it gets to the supreme court. All laws should go through that process, and this one is no different.
 
molten_dragon said:
Come on Vic, you're better than this. I'm not some mindless partisan hack and you know it, and acting like I am is insulting.

It has nothing to do with wanting to 'keep the hope alive'. I was never a huge fan of this particular healthcare bill in the first place, I just doubted that we'd see anything better.

My reasons for not wanting it to go to the supreme court are simple. When there is a lawsuit alleging that a law is unconstitutional, there is a process it has to go to before it gets to the supreme court. All laws should go through that process, and this one is no different.
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Why should all laws go through this process? Do you think Bush V Gore should have been dragged through the courts for several years rather than being fast tracked to the SCOTUS?

The damage that will be done to our economy and federal/state budgets if we continue to prepare for it as if the law will go into effect, only to have it overturned by SCOTUS, is astronomical.

Both sides agree that the central issue in this case is whether or not congress has the power, under the commerce clause, to mandate that people purchase something. The arguments have been the same, for and against, they won’t change as it goes up the ladder and, as both sides always say after they lose a decision, “the only ruling that matters is the SCOTUS”.

The only reason this case isn’t being taken straight to the SCOTUS (like Bush V Gore was) is Obama doesn’t want to risk a 2012 election following the SCOTUS overturning this law as unconstitutional.

I just don’t see any reason for a delay, other than putting politics before what is best for America. There is nothing sacred about the “process” you seem to revere.
 
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I just want to add one more quote from the Florida court’s ruling. The judge quotes President Obama's own words from the 2008 presidential campaign, when the president as a candidate voiced opposition to the idea of forcing people to buy health insurance.

"Indeed, I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that 'if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,'".
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Obama, of 2008, sounds like he would agree with the court’s ruling. I wonder what has changed since then.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
Why should all laws go through this process? Do you think Bush V Gore should have been dragged through the courts for several years rather than being fast tracked to the SCOTUS?
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Bush v Gore should have never gone to SCOTUS, the Florida Supreme made a decision to manually recount the entire state and that should have been upheld. Bush didn't like the decision so he ran to his buddies on SCOTUS. :(
 
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