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Thread: A Simple Question -

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Sorry. As both a moral and situational relativist, I see your question as a false dichotomy and as simplfying a very complex issue. I also see a difference between the concept of government, those who run it, and individuals who work inside it.
    It's only as complex as you make it. There are politicians [sic] that do indeed, answer to their constituents and seem to have their overall best interests at heart. However... the political 'machine' is not to be trusted and SHOULD be questioned.

    I am talking the overall entity known as the 'federal government'. I am in no way, shape or form saying that all elected officials are corrupt and/or aren't actually working for 'we the people'.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when in rome. and you have noted you really aren't a liberal on all issues
    That's true, but I also don't see personal responsibility as being a non-liberal position. I see personal responsibility as being global, across party lines. I think how it's applied and seen is what separates the right from the left.

    most of the hard core left -at least the leaders-think the average person cannot be trusted to look out for themselves and thus the wise elites must
    Personally, I think most of those of the hardcore left are just like the hardcore right. They just want to beat the other guy.

    But, in truth, I would prefer to trust experts hired to make GLOBAL decisions, than trust the average person to make them. The average person is only concerned with themselves. Those experts in government have to be concerned with how the entire system interacts.

    many of the rank and file left believes the same thing too
    Not at all. Most of the rank and file lefties believe my second paragraph above. You have become jaded simply because you spend FAR too much time talking/arguing with far left hacks and not enough discussing with rank and file lefties.

    now it is true that some libs like my brother believes in personal responsbility-he's a "lib" because he is a pagan and hates the religious right
    Lots of libs believe in personal responsibility, usually inside a global structure. Look around here... most of the more mainstream on the left see this.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    It is to me, but apparently... it's not so obvious for others. That is why I started this thread.
    That is because you asked a question with only one real answer. It doesn't really make any points though.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    It is to me, but apparently... it's not so obvious for others. That is why I started this thread.
    It is a simple question. I knew what my answer would be as soon as I read it.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    A private business has never taken something from me that I didn't voluntarily give to them. The same is not true of the government.
    A private business has never done something for me that was not an ancillary issue... the primary issue being doing something for themselves, first. The same is not true of the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if your best interest is contrary to a given corporation you normally can avoid that corporation
    If my best interest is contrary to a given corporation, I will not always know this to avoid that corporation.

    if your best interests conflict with the government you are royally screwed
    If my best interest conflicts with the government, I can accept that as an occasional occurance... which is the price we all pay for living in a large society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It is a simple question. I knew what my answer would be as soon as I read it.
    So did basically every one. That is actually a flaw of the question.

    Imagine I started a poll "is air good for us"? The answer would be a foregone conclusion. Now does that mean that all anti-pollution regulations are good?
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    A private business has never done something for me that was not an ancillary issue... the primary issue being doing something for themselves, first. The same is not true of the government.
    Well, I don't need a business to "care" for me. As far as the govt, I'd rather be left alone than cared for.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    It's only as complex as you make it.
    Disagree. The complexity of the issue is based on the complexity of government and government operations... which are complex and diverse.

    There are politicians [sic] that do indeed, answer to their constituents and seem to have their overall best interests at heart. However... the political 'machine' is not to be trusted and SHOULD be questioned.
    Trusted and questioned are two different things.

    I am talking the overall entity known as the 'federal government'. I am in no way, shape or form saying that all elected officials are corrupt and/or aren't actually working for 'we the people'.
    As am I. Which is why the question is so complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, I don't need a business to "care" for me. As far as the govt, I'd rather be left alone than cared for.
    Now you are spinning things. You do need the government to take care of the country. Part of taking care of the country is ensuring that the citizens of the country have as many tools to success as possible. That makes the country stronger, and makes it easier for the individuals to look out for themselves.
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