View Poll Results: Do you trust the federal government to do what's in your best interest

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Thread: A Simple Question -

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that might be the wisest thing I have seen from you and that is really a compliment because you often make good posts. but that runs counter to what many lefties believe-the thought that it is YOUR DUTY TO LOOK OUT FOR YOURSELF is anathema to many on the left I have seen
    turtle... truthfully, if you really read some of the posts from some of the non-hackish lefties, you would see a lot of the same sort of thing. We believe that it is our duty to look after ourselves inside a structure. This is one of the reasons I get so annoyed with how you post at times. You make blanket statements about liberals, when, if you really read some of our posts, you'd find that most of us are big on personal responsibility. I know I am. It's just presented differently than you might present it.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you really believe that? most politicians main concern is keeping their power.
    Would you support the theory that all politicians are like Ingsoc, with only wanting to revel in power and just that?
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    turtle... truthfully, if you really read some of the posts from some of the non-hackish lefties, you would see a lot of the same sort of thing. We believe that it is our duty to look after ourselves inside a structure. This is one of the reasons I get so annoyed with how you post at times. You make blanket statements about liberals, when, if you really read some of our posts, you'd find that most of us are big on personal responsibility. I know I am. It's just presented differently than you might present it.

    when in rome. and you have noted you really aren't a liberal on all issues

    most of the hard core left -at least the leaders-think the average person cannot be trusted to look out for themselves and thus the wise elites must

    many of the rank and file left believes the same thing too

    now it is true that some libs like my brother believes in personal responsbility-he's a "lib" because he is a pagan and hates the religious right



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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yes, I believe that. I also agree with what you are saying, for the most part. I see government as a concept and the the people who work in government as two different things.

    Bottom line. I would trust the government to do what's in my best interest more than I would trust private organizations, basically because the premise of government is for the people, whereas the premise of private organizations is for themselves. Basic definitions. Doesn't mean I trust government a whole lot... and it depends on the situation, the issue, and who is making the decisions. This is why this is a complex question, and cannot be resolved in a yes/no answer.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Would you support the theory that all politicians are like Ingsoc, with only wanting to revel in power and just that?
    not all just a substantial majority



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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllll no. The "why" should be obvious.


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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I don't see how. I suppose I could have asked the question and then given eighteen different answers to suit the hundreds of political parties out there. I framed the question as an American citizen would frame it.

    Do you trust the federal government to decide what is best for you. Either you do or you do not.

    I trust them as far as I could throw them. There is a history in this country of our elected officials doing what lines their pockets FIRST with little to no regard to how it impacts the citizenry.
    Sorry. As both a moral and situational relativist, I see your question as a false dichotomy and as simplfying a very complex issue. I also see a difference between the concept of government, those who run it, and individuals who work inside it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllll no. The "why" should be obvious.
    It is to me, but apparently... it's not so obvious for others. That is why I started this thread.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Alright, before I dive in and read the thread I will answer the question posed.

    I have no expectations for the government to look out for my best interest, regardless of whether it is functioning like an ox cart with square wheels, or a perfectly tuned Ferrari. In fact, in an ideal perfectly ran government I would have LESS expectations of it to look out for my best interest. In its ideal the Government should be trying to maximize actions that are the most beneficial to the people as a whole, and oftentimes this will contradict what is in MY best interest.

    edit: do I trust it to do what is in my best interest? absolutely not since I do not have that expectation of it, and unfortunately I also have little trust in it it to consistently do what is in the best interest of the people either.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yes, I believe that. I also agree with what you are saying, for the most part. I see government as a concept and the the people who work in government as two different things.

    Bottom line. I would trust the government to do what's in my best interest more than I would trust private organizations, basically because the premise of government is for the people, whereas the premise of private organizations is for themselves. Basic definitions. Doesn't mean I trust government a whole lot... and it depends on the situation, the issue, and who is making the decisions. This is why this is a complex question, and cannot be resolved in a yes/no answer.
    if your best interest is contrary to a given corporation you normally can avoid that corporation

    if your best interests conflict with the government you are royally screwed



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