View Poll Results: Do you trust the federal government to do what's in your best interest

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    And I have yet to be guilty of a fallacy. I was asking a question, not making a statement.
    What about a basic sin ... like lacking humility?
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Liberals only care about the fairness of liberty and the equal protection of rights. Other than that, a liberal is in no theoretical position to care about anything beyond the individual rights of society. The individual rights of society are those needs which need be protected. And cooperation and unity are about the same.
    My point is then, how do we choose which individual rights that need to be protected? We have to do so as a group. A liberal would argue from a position I described above.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    And I have yet to be guilty of a fallacy. I was asking a question, not making a statement.
    I thought you were trying to make a point, instead of simply asking a question. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    My point is then, how do we choose which individual rights that need to be protected? We have to do so as a group. A liberal would argue from a position I described above.
    Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are the general rights. The rights of the constitution are essentially the specific individual rights. We would do so by strictly limiting the government to the powers that were originally assigned to it by the founding. A liberal (in the sense of the root word liber- to be free) would argue from the position I described above.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What about a basic sin ... like lacking humility?
    By that, you're implying that YOU are humble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I thought you were trying to make a point, instead of simply asking a question. Sorry.
    I was hoping you would reiterate that the societal needs ARE the individual needs. There are no other needs.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I know what's in my best interest better than the government ever could. If anything, I think the government would quite readily screw me over if it thought that was in it's own best interest.
    Don't you understand how foolish this sounds? You've basically put yourself in between a rock and a hard place. You're either claiming that A) You're smarter than a collection of the most intelligent and cunning people in your nation, working full-time for the betterment of your entire nation which you are a part of (and in doing so you commit the fallacy of arrogance) or B) You intend to do what's best for yourself regardless of how if affects other people (and in doing so blatantly disregard the laws ans social norms of your nation for brutish self-interest).

    So, if you are smarter than the entirety of the US government, and believe you know how to improve life for your nation better than they do, you should run for office, and get taken down a notch.

    Or, if you chose the other path, and intend to claim that everyone else isn't your problem, and all you want is to help yourself, you should leave the US and go to a Third World nation where the government won't bother you because they really ARE too incompetent to solve anything.


    The choice is yours.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Part of the lesson of the last century is that while government workers and officials can know more about a particular subject than the regular American, they are frequently in error with being able to shift the American public in the course of the public interest without society's traditional means of dealing with distress, including the individual's ability to know what he or she needs and having the ability to attempt to do so. X-Factor's sentiment, though foolish if applied at all times (which I know he would not), is absolutely prescient to remind Government and current-day American liberals (though, I would apply this to socialists even further) of the hubris and chance of failure involved in "social engineering" (the negative connotation here induces me to place quotation marks in order to spare it from the possibility of being too prone to make social engineering mean 'government action which I do not like). The state has many brilliant people, but it can not replace the genius of individual choice.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    They do not trust me, so why should I trust them?

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    The question is not whether I trust government in its entirety, but whom do I trust more, corporations to do what's in the peoples best interest or the government to oversee and regulate corporate enities to propect the people from unfair, finacially unreasonable, and unsafe business practices meant to increase corporate profit with little concern for their employees and customer. I vote for government intervention.

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