View Poll Results: Do you trust the federal government to do what's in your best interest

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Thread: A Simple Question -

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Now wait just a minute Elmer Fudd. Either the people are sucking on the government's teat (like your Con brethren espouse at every turn), or what you say is true, or both. Which would produce a 69 of teat sucking.

    So which is it?
    It's both. The most heinous aspect of the whole mess is that the parasitic populace does not even know they are nothing but instruments of the great scam. Look at the vermin sucking from the state, awaiting their monthly stipends as they sit like sloths. These scum may think they live the life of Riley, but they are prisoners of the umbilical cord.

    The government is a being in and of itself. It's a Hydra with a million heads, taking from here, redistributing there, regulating, taxing, imprisoning, like an insatiable monster that never stops growing.

    See how it all plays out? And while the game ensues, these legislators and kings get fat and rich, while they sucker the likes of the sheeple(especially the left side) by using class warfare and anti-liberty principles.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    You are providing services to the patient. They cannot force you to sign a contract to be IN Network with their insurance company.
    Did I say I was forced to sign a contract? See, now you are backing away from your original comment because you KNOW you were wrong. The contract IS between myself and the insurance company, so are you ready to concede that since this is the case, when the insurance company does not pay me, appropriately, my issue is with THEM?


    hmmm, must not be doing a very good job.
    Hmmm... a non-answer to the issue. More concessions. Good.


    You agreed to the contract by signing it. Why on earth would you sign a contract with loopholes?
    That's right... them loopholes are spelled out right in the contract right in section C8. Please stop making stuff up.


    You do not have to sign an IN Network contract.
    So what? If I do, do you think it is appropriate for the insurance company to honor that contract? And, do you think it is appropriate for the insurance company to pay, financially, in a timely manner?


    Good, I don't need to hear any more lame excuses.
    In other words, since you have offered nothing credible to counter anything I said, you would prefer to say nothing. Got it.


    Just because you believe treatment for mental health problems is more important than food or shelter, does not make it so.
    Just because you WANT me to have made that argument, doesn't mean I did. Try debating what I say... I know you'll lose, but at least it will be honest.


    I made no comparison, that was you.
    You made the accusation. Show the proof.


    You have not proven anything. You have simply made a lot of lame excuses.

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    Of course I've proven my position. You have offered nothing but diversions, straw man arguments, and have demonstrated a lack of knowledge on the industry. Let me know what you have something of substance to offer.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
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    Of course I've proven my position.
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    The only thing you have proven is that you are either not capable or not willing to looking out for your own interests and instead you go whining to the govenment to protect you from those big, bad insurance companies that hide loop holes in the contracts they force you to sign.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually it's not. The difference between the left and right is how we define "looking after the countries interests".
    It is a balance of preserving national unity and protecting individual liberty. The more you sway to either the left or the right, the more you wish to sacrifice the liberty of individuals for the preservation of so-called national unity. The more you sway in my direction, the more you wish to protect individual liberty against the oppression of government. And given that even Mother Nature doesn't kill and starve as many individuals as governments do, I'm inclinded to be bias towards the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    It is a balance of preserving national unity and protecting individual liberty. The more you sway to either the left or the right, the more you wish to sacrifice the liberty of individuals for the preservation of so-called national unity. The more you sway in my direction, the more you wish to protect individual liberty against the oppression of government. And given that even Mother Nature doesn't kill and starve as many individuals as governments do, I'm inclinded to be bias towards the individual.
    I would not call it NATIONAL UNITY. I would call it the needs of society. So it comes down to balancing the rights of the individual with the needs of society and the rights we have together as a people.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would not call it NATIONAL UNITY. I would call it the needs of society. So it comes down to balancing the rights of the individual with the needs of society and the rights we have together as a people.
    If society is made up of individuals, then what are these societal needs that you speak of?

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    If society is made up of individuals, then what are these societal needs that you speak of?
    Here is your problem:

    Fallacy of composition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The needs of society are different than that of solely one individual. Namely we need to be able to cooperate. If you are speaking from the liberals point of view it would not have to do with unity, but instead fairness. Liberals try and look at society as rules that we all could agree to, no matter our position in it.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Here is your problem:

    Fallacy of composition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The needs of society are different than that of solely one individual. Namely we need to be able to cooperate. If you are speaking from the liberals point of view it would not have to do with unity, but instead fairness. Liberals try and look at society as rules that we all could agree to, no matter our position in it.
    Liberals only care about the fairness of liberty and the equal protection of rights. Other than that, a liberal is in no theoretical position to care about anything beyond the individual rights of society. The individual rights of society are those needs which need be protected. And cooperation and unity are about the same.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    And I have yet to be guilty of a fallacy. I was asking a question, not making a statement.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    If society is made up of individuals, then what are these societal needs that you speak of?
    Individuals are loners who live on their own island.

    The rest of us live in society as a member of a larger group.
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