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    Re: A Simple Question -

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    I was unaware that industries checked themselves. I thought that was YOUR job.
    Now you understand the need for regulation. Industry's don't check themselves. Why should they?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Now you understand the need for regulation. Industry's don't check themselves. Why should they?
    No, I don't understand it at all. You clearly don't understand my argument.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I don't understand it at all. You clearly don't understand my argument.
    Then be my guest and explain it. I'm pretty sure I've gotten it, but there's always the possibility I could be mistaken.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The only financial assistance I would get from it, is actually getting paid what I am contracted to get paid. I see no issue with that.
    The patient is the one with which you have a contract. The insurance company has no obligation to you at all.


    Healthcare is very seldom a matter of life and death?!!! Good one.
    Are you being dishonest or just stupid. I specified your specialty. I'm guessing you are just being dishonest as dishonesty is quite common with your kind.


    It is my choice to accept these clients. It is my choice to want these insurance companies to abide by the rules that they set out. It is my choice to do everything I can to get regulations in place that force them to do so. If you do not like that... too bad.
    If they are not abiding by the rules, it is you that is letting them get away with it by continuing to accept patients that have their insurance.

    Require the patient pay you and let them worry about getting reimbursed by the insurance coimpany.


    The contract has more holes in it than a slice of swiss cheese... and the insurance company does everything it can to slip through those loopholes and not pay. If they will not close them... and why should they, since their purpose is not to service their customers, but to maximize profit, I will certainly encourage the government to close those loopholes so their business practices are forced to be more ethical. It is obvious that the insurance industry is inacapable of monitoring itself.
    So don't accept patients that have that insurance.


    No one NEEDS steak or loberster. They just need food. Very poor analogy.
    This time, based on some of your previous posts commenting on business, I think you just might be too stupid to understand. I will explain it and type real slow so you can follow along.

    The point is that if someone is not paying for something themself, they would not worry about the price. Pretty simple concept but I guess it went over your head.


    Does this occur? I'm sure it does, however it occurs far less often than it does with the insurance industry, where it is as common as breathing air.
    Got any proof of that.... didn't think so.


    With providers, there are ethical sanctions for things like this. In the insurance industry, there are NO checks and balances. Regulate the hell out of them to create these checks and balances.
    The courts are the check on the insurance companies, but you have no standing because they do not have a contract with you.

    Why don't you have the government pass laws that your can confiscate the patient's car or house if they don't pay you. They are the one's that actually owe you.

    Actually laws already exist that allow you to go after assets of those that have obligations to you (your patients) that they refuse to pay. You just don't want to trouble youself to use them.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    The patient is the one with which you have a contract. The insurance company has no obligation to you at all.
    Wrong. This tells me that you don't know about this issue. When I am IN network with an insurance company, I have a contract surround their rate of payment and other issues. Standard procedure in the industry. I have a contract with them and the patient and the insurance company has an obligation to follow the contract, as do I. For example, if I agree to their reduced in-network rate, I cannot choose to charge the client an additional fee in their co-pay to make up the difference between the in-network rate and whatever my actual rate is.

    So, you are completely incorrect about this.


    Are you being dishonest or just stupid. I specified your specialty. I'm guessing you are just being dishonest as dishonesty is quite common with your kind.
    Since suicide is in the top 5 causes of death for just about any age group, and depression is the most common reason leading to suicide, again, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. And this is just one example. 10% of all folks with eating disorders, die. Perhaps you should educate yourself on this issue before you speak about it.


    If they are not abiding by the rules, it is you that is letting them get away with it by continuing to accept patients that have their insurance.
    They are using loopholes to get away with bending the rules. More regulation will close those loopholes.

    Require the patient pay you and let them worry about getting reimbursed by the insurance coimpany.
    In-network contracts do not allow this. Again, learn about what we are discussing.


    So don't accept patients that have that insurance.
    I already explained this. I'm not going to repeat myself to someone who is neither listening nor seems to know about what we are discussing.


    This time, based on some of your previous posts commenting on business, I think you just might be too stupid to understand. I will explain it and type real slow so you can follow along.

    The point is that if someone is not paying for something themself, they would not worry about the price. Pretty simple concept but I guess it went over your head.
    No, I was pretty clear on the difference between healthcare and other issues. You don't not seem to want to understand this diference.


    Got any proof of that.... didn't think so.
    Well, since you made the initial accusation, please provide proof of IT. I'll wait.


    The courts are the check on the insurance companies, but you have no standing because they do not have a contract with you.
    And I've already proven you wrong on this, so this point is irrelevant.

    Why don't you have the government pass laws that your can confiscate the patient's car or house if they don't pay you. They are the one's that actually owe you.
    And I've already proven you wrong on this, so this point is irrelevant.


    Actually laws already exist that allow you to go after assets of those that have obligations to you (your patients) that they refuse to pay. You just don't want to trouble youself to use them.
    And I've already proven you wrong on this, so this point is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    No, because it's controlled wholly by corporate interests, and the public has little to nothing to do with it.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Wrong. This tells me that you don't know about this issue. When I am IN network with an insurance company, I have a contract surround their rate of payment and other issues. Standard procedure in the industry. I have a contract with them and the patient and the insurance company has an obligation to follow the contract, as do I. For example, if I agree to their reduced in-network rate, I cannot choose to charge the client an additional fee in their co-pay to make up the difference between the in-network rate and whatever my actual rate is.

    So, you are completely incorrect about this.
    You are providing services to the patient. They cannot force you to sign a contract to be IN Network with their insurance company.


    Since suicide is in the top 5 causes of death for just about any age group, and depression is the most common reason leading to suicide, again, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. And this is just one example. 10% of all folks with eating disorders, die. Perhaps you should educate yourself on this issue before you speak about it.
    hmmm, must not be doing a very good job.


    They are using loopholes to get away with bending the rules. More regulation will close those loopholes.
    You agreed to the contract by signing it. Why on earth would you sign a contract with loopholes?


    In-network contracts do not allow this. Again, learn about what we are discussing.
    You do not have to sign an IN Network contract.


    I already explained this. I'm not going to repeat myself to someone who is neither listening nor seems to know about what we are discussing.
    Good, I don't need to hear any more lame excuses.


    No, I was pretty clear on the difference between healthcare and other issues. You don't not seem to want to understand this diference.
    Just because you believe treatment for mental health problems is more important than food or shelter, does not make it so.


    Well, since you made the initial accusation, please provide proof of IT. I'll wait.
    I made no comparison, that was you.


    And I've already proven you wrong on this, so this point is irrelevant.

    And I've already proven you wrong on this, so this point is irrelevant.

    And I've already proven you wrong on this, so this point is irrelevant.
    You have not proven anything. You have simply made a lot of lame excuses.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    No. The government does what is in it's best interest to make itself bigger by sucking from the teet of the populace. It's like John Carpenter's THE THING, invading the individual, infecting it's cells, and then sh!tting out an abomination.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I know what's in my best interest better than the government ever could. If anything, I think the government would quite readily screw me over if it thought that was in it's own best interest.
    Our government has little to nothing to less than nothing in "screwing" over its own people.
    Its own people, that is everyone(particularly the wealthy), with conservatives in power, guess who gets the fillet mignon and who gets the floor sweepings....
    This is not Egypt!...is it ?
    Of course, we do do have the human factor, this permeates both the private and public sectors...
    And for a man not to trust his own government.....something is seriously wrong.....somewhere.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    No. The government does what is in it's best interest to make itself bigger by sucking from the teet of the populace. It's like John Carpenter's THE THING, invading the individual, infecting it's cells, and then sh!tting out an abomination.
    Now wait just a minute Elmer Fudd. Either the people are sucking on the government's teat (like your Con brethren espouse at every turn), or what you say is true, or both. Which would produce a 69 of teat sucking.

    So which is it?
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