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    Re: A Simple Question -

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    I am not the one wanting the government to enact regulations to enhance my salary.
    Neither am I. I am wanting government regulations to prevent abuses in the healthcare industry.

    My salary is based on how our company is doing and that is based on how well we compete in the marketplace. Our customers do not have someone else paying their bills, They have to pay for our products and services themselves. If our prices and services are not competitive, we don't get their buisiness and my salary would take a hit.
    That's nice. The healthcare industry is a different sort as healthcare is fairly necessary.

    Why do you think someone should get a raise just because time has passed? Maybe you should look for ways to cut expenses instead of expecting others to pony up more to support you ineffeciency. Your expenses are of no concern to anyone but you.
    No, I think I'll just keep asking for a raise... like everyone else does when they do good work, and their expenses and cost of living increases. It's not my problem that insurance companies would prefer to fill their pockets than actually do what their industry claims to do. Until they do, I will continue to expose their abuses.


    If your customers cannot pay your fees and you have to rely on the government forcing others to pay for them, I would say your fees might be a tad out of line.
    And you would be wrong. Government isn't paying the fees. Customers are paying premiums so when they need to utilize their benefits, they can. I would say that it is the insurance company's issue when they refuse to authorize those benefits so they don't have to pay.

    Hmm, isn't that indicative of there being no competition.
    Not at all. I know of no one who goes to a healthcare provider because the provider is cheaper. People go to health care providers because of the provider's reputation. You are showing extreme naivete about the industry.

    The problem is that the healthcare provider, left to his own devices, will do what maximizes his own income when, at times, some things he does may not be necessary from a medical POV. This is especially true in your specialty.
    No, the problem is that the insurance company, left to their own devices... which to some extent they are, will do whatever they can do to deny paying in order to maximize their profit, without any concern for the subscriber's medical situation. And sorry... but you are absolutely wrong. It is the PROVIDER, the person who actually sees the patient who makes the assessment onto the medical necessity for treatment. The insurance company has no concern for the patient, just maximizing profit, so their opinion has no validity, to me.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Neither am I. I am wanting government regulations to prevent abuses in the healthcare industry.
    And it is only a coincidence that it would help you financially.... right.


    That's nice. The healthcare industry is a different sort as healthcare is fairly necessary.
    As is housing and food and ... maybe your industry is not as special as you seem to think it is. Actually, healthcare in your specialty is very seldom a matter of life and death and in many cases is more harmful than helpful.


    No, I think I'll just keep asking for a raise... like everyone else does when they do good work, and their expenses and cost of living increases. It's not my problem that insurance companies would prefer to fill their pockets than actually do what their industry claims to do. Until they do, I will continue to expose their abuses.
    It is your choice to accept patients that use insurance companies that you consider abusive. If you need the business bad enough you are willing to put up with the hassles of dealing with them, you shouldn't go whining to the politicians for more regulations.


    And you would be wrong. Government isn't paying the fees. Customers are paying premiums so when they need to utilize their benefits, they can. I would say that it is the insurance company's issue when they refuse to authorize those benefits so they don't have to pay.
    Private insurance is contract based. The contract determines what they should pay. If they truly should pay, the courts will enforce the contract and they will end up paying much more. But you want the governemnt to step in to force them to cover your services regardless.



    Not at all. I know of no one who goes to a healthcare provider because the provider is cheaper. ....
    Of course not. They are not paying the bill. If people did not have to pay for their food, everyone would be eating steak and lobster a lot more often, I'm thinkin.


    No, the problem is that the insurance company, left to their own devices... which to some extent they are, will do whatever they can do to deny paying in order to maximize their profit, without any concern for the subscriber's medical situation. And sorry... but you are absolutely wrong. It is the PROVIDER, the person who actually sees the patient who makes the assessment onto the medical necessity for treatment. ....
    In many cases the provider determines treatment based on what will be in the best interest of their own bank account, not what is best medically for the patient.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    And it is only a coincidence that it would help you financially.... right.
    The only financial assistance I would get from it, is actually getting paid what I am contracted to get paid. I see no issue with that.


    As is housing and food and ... maybe your industry is not as special as you seem to think it is. Actually, healthcare in your specialty is very seldom a matter of life and death and in many cases is more harmful than helpful.
    Healthcare is very seldom a matter of life and death?!!! Good one.


    It is your choice to accept patients that use insurance companies that you consider abusive. If you need the business bad enough you are willing to put up with the hassles of dealing with them, you shouldn't go whining to the politicians for more regulations.
    It is my choice to accept these clients. It is my choice to want these insurance companies to abide by the rules that they set out. It is my choice to do everything I can to get regulations in place that force them to do so. If you do not like that... too bad.


    Private insurance is contract based. The contract determines what they should pay. If they truly should pay, the courts will enforce the contract and they will end up paying much more. But you want the governemnt to step in to force them to cover your services regardless.
    The contract has more holes in it than a slice of swiss cheese... and the insurance company does everything it can to slip through those loopholes and not pay. If they will not close them... and why should they, since their purpose is not to service their customers, but to maximize profit, I will certainly encourage the government to close those loopholes so their business practices are forced to be more ethical. It is obvious that the insurance industry is inacapable of monitoring itself.



    Of course not. They are not paying the bill. If people did not have to pay for their food, everyone would be eating steak and lobster a lot more often, I'm thinkin.
    No one NEEDS steak or loberster. They just need food. Very poor analogy.


    In many cases the provider determines treatment based on what will be in the best interest of their own bank account, not what is best medically for the patient.

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    Does this occur? I'm sure it does, however it occurs far less often than it does with the insurance industry, where it is as common as breathing air. With providers, there are ethical sanctions for things like this. In the insurance industry, there are NO checks and balances. Regulate the hell out of them to create these checks and balances.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Healthcare is very seldom a matter of life and death?!!! Good one.
    He's got a point, there's only a finite amount of times people can die.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    He's got a point, there's only a finite amount of times people can die.
    Once you die, it's no longer a matter of life and death. Just a matter of death... or being dead, to be grammatically correct.

    Logic, my dear spud.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Once you die, it's no longer a matter of life and death. Just a matter of death... or being dead, to be grammatically correct.

    Logic, my dear spud.
    So then healthcare isn't a matter of life and death, but simply a matter of life? Either way he's still right.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    I enjoy arguments like they don't check themselves so we have too, aka get the government to do it.

    That is always face palm worthy.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So then healthcare isn't a matter of life and death, but simply a matter of life? Either way he's still right.

    Logic, my dear CC.
    No, it is a matter of life and death... to the living. Either is a possiblity at that point. Once you are dead, only one of those two is a possibility.

    Logic, again, my dear spud.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I enjoy arguments like they don't check themselves so we have too, aka get the government to do it.

    That is always face palm worthy.
    And I always enyoy arguments that have no solutions to industry's lack of ability or desire to check themselves. Certainly worthy of many eyerolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    I was unaware that industries checked themselves. I thought that was YOUR job.

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