View Poll Results: Do you trust the federal government to do what's in your best interest

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    The federal government is run by a bunch of perfect strangers. Its laws and regulations are enforced by a bunch of perfect strangers. Violators are prosecuted by a bunch of perfect strangers.

    Seeing as how I wouldn't invite a perfect stranger in off the street to live in my home or watch my boys while I'm at work, I don't see why I should trust the government with all the power it has.

    The government has to have some power or it's worthless. I have to give the government some trust or risk becoming a gibbering nut.

    I will not, however, ever trust it in its entirety, nor will I ever support unnecessary expansions of its authority.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Maybe you should lower your prices.
    How about you take a cut in salary but watch your expenses continue to go up? Your suggestion is nonsense. Further, some insurance companies haven't changed their fee payouts in as much as 8 years. Tell your boss, "don't give me a raise for 8 years, even though prices if everything goes up."


    Of course it's the best solution from your POV. You get to charge outragous fees that your patients don't have to pay. If they had to pay for it they might shop around a little.

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    No one charges outrageous fees… fees are pretty consistent throughout the industry, depending on the region, but that's right… regulation might actualyy force the insurance companies to pay what and when they are supposed to AND authorize benefits based on the treating provider's determination of medical necessity, rather than some bureaucrat on the other end of the phone who's only purpose is to figure out how no to pay, regardless of the patient's condition. What a novel idea. Healthcare insurance actually authorizing healthcare.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    You mean regulate even more than currently? I spent about 14 years working for one of the bigger players (mostly Life and P&C) and can tell you insurance is already highly regulated. One problem - it is regulated by each of the 50 states, and some of teh regulations are trivial. We need to PROPERLY and INTELLIGENTLY regulate the industry
    I can agree with that.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Is that ever the truth !
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    Simplistic I know - but the biggest improvement we can make to our educational system is to make it a mutual requirement. If the state requires you to attend they must also require you to participate and apply yourself. If you don't you are gone. Free, Universal public education is taken for granted because it is granted. It should some how be earned.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    How about you take a cut in salary but watch your expenses continue to go up? Your suggestion is nonsense. Further, some insurance companies haven't changed their fee payouts in as much as 8 years. Tell your boss, "don't give me a raise for 8 years, even though prices if everything goes up."
    I am not the one wanting the government to enact regulations to enhance my salary.

    My salary is based on how our company is doing and that is based on how well we compete in the marketplace. Our customers do not have someone else paying their bills, They have to pay for our products and services themselves. If our prices and services are not competitive, we don't get their buisiness and my salary would take a hit.

    Why do you think someone should get a raise just because time has passed? Maybe you should look for ways to cut expenses instead of expecting others to pony up more to support you ineffeciency. Your expenses are of no concern to anyone but you.


    No one charges outrageous fees…
    If your customers cannot pay your fees and you have to rely on the government forcing others to pay for them, I would say your fees might be a tad out of line.

    fees are pretty consistent throughout the industry, depending on the region
    Hmm, isn't that indicative of there being no competition.

    but that's right… regulation might actualyy force the insurance companies to pay what and when they are supposed to AND authorize benefits based on the treating provider's determination of medical necessity, rather than some bureaucrat on the other end of the phone who's only purpose is to figure out how no to pay, regardless of the patient's condition. What a novel idea. Healthcare insurance actually authorizing healthcare.
    The problem is that the healthcare provider, left to his own devices, will do what maximizes his own income when, at times, some things he does may not be necessary from a medical POV. This is especially true in your specialty.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Do you trust the federal government (in its entirety) to do what's in your best interest?

    Why or why not.
    I haven't read the rest of this thread, so I don't know if this was brought up, but I voted "Other."

    But while you ask a very simple and short question, the issue behind it isn't at all.

    Technically, I could vote "no," but that would be disingenuous - a "no" vote would imply that I distrust the federal government because I believethey don't do what's in my best interest.

    But the reason why I don't trust the federal government to do what's in my best interest is because it is not the purpose of the federal government to do what's in my best individual interests.

    Rather, it is the purpose of the federal government to legislate and execute social policies in a consensus brought about by the representatives of it's citizenry.

    Those two things are very very different things. It cannot possibly do what's in the best interests of individuals because individuals always have interests that compete with each other.

    For example, there's two people, Able and Baker, but only one cake. It is in the best interest of Able to get the whole cake, but it is also in the best interest of Baker to get the whole cake. So it is impossible for the government to resolve this issue because of the scarcity of resources of the cake.

    However, what the government can do is come to a consensus that gives Able and Baker the best outcome while taking both of their interests into account. So the government can choose to cut the cake in two equal pieces and give one half to Able and give the other half to Baker. While neither one gets the best outcome for their individual needs and wants, the government intercedes to create an outcome of compromise that is mutually beneficial to all parties without depriving any of the parties.

    That is the ultimate purpose of government - to give people a way of determining resources peacefully in order to give to all of it's citizenry as high of a quality of life as realistically possible.

    And if we didn't have any kind of government to determine such consensus, then it is most likely that Able and Baker would kill each other over who gets the whole cake, and neither one would benefit and the cake would just go stale and rotten and unused.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    It is pretty evident that the government does not represent the people... it represents special intersets groups, the rich and it's own interests while placating the people and maintaining just enough freedom and purchasing power so as not to complain.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    The Fed Govt. should look out for what is best for America, ensuring the Constitution is not stepped on, and the security of America. The individual is responsible for their own "best interest", actions, happiness and well being.
    A good policy, for the 18th century.
    Now we are trying address ills such as racial discrimination, water and air pollution, un-necessary accidents and deaths, crime, education, corruption,greed, crime,hatred....on and on..
    I do think that our government tens to re-react and get carried away with things...

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    Re: A Simple Question -

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    A good policy, for the 18th century.
    Now we are trying address ills such as racial discrimination, water and air pollution, un-necessary accidents and deaths, crime, education, corruption,greed, crime,hatred....on and on..
    I do think that our government tens to re-react and get carried away with things...
    Racial Discrimination was already addressed through the civil rights act, equal pay act, as are age discrimination, pregnancy discrimination act, housing discrimination... water and air pollution in the form of the clean air acts of 1963, 1970, 1977, 1990, , unnecessary accidents and deaths are just part of life, so no laws can make people less clumsy, or dissuade accidents from happening unless everyone lives in a plastic bubble. New crime laws by the thousands are put on the books every year at the local, State and Federal levels. Education - there are enough acts and funding around education at again, local, State and Federal levels with all roads leading to "throw more money at it". Greed, crime and hatred have existed as long as man has existed and will continue to exist, nothing will change that.

    So I disagree, those things you've listed we've addressed; time and time again over and over, multiple time. More police, more money, more laws, more regulation more everything piled on top of each other for hundreds of years. That's not to say they cannot be improved, but we need a different approach. The same old same old just isn't working.
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    Re: A Simple Question -

    I do not trust the federal/national government because of the following examples:
    The Pentagon Papers
    Patriot Act
    Operation Northwoods
    MKULTRA

    I could go on, and on and on.
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