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Is This Going Too Far?

Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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danarhea said:
Hey, guess what, folks? We have just solved the problem of Federal spending and deficits. :mrgreen:
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Bookmark this post when people call you a fake conservative ;)

But of course I disagree, I think the federal government should spend money, and we should compromise on what it does spend it on.
 
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OKgrannie said:
If you believe a 15-year-old is perfectly capable of consenting to sex, then you surely must be opposed to parental notification or parental consent laws, right?
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I haven't done much research on the issue of notification and consent laws, but yes I believe 15 year olds are perfectly capable of being responsible for their own damn decisions.
 
Dutch said:
No, I do not believe my stance is neutral. I think of myself as very biased, for my own culture, my own people. I'm very passionate about a number of issues. I'll leave the cold bloodedness to others.
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Thats fine. However, if you were to get the fully realized version of the society you wanted, it means someone is going to get a raw deal. Its the nature of free will and the different cultures that result out of it.
 
Your Star said:
Getting date raped is never the victims fault, and in no way should the victim be forced to carry the baby that wasn't her choosing in her body for 9 months. I don't like abortion, and think the person shouldn't choose abortion in cases of consensual sex, but I can totally see, and support a person in wanting to not be reminded of being violated, and possibly the worst moment of her life for 9 months.
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I agree with what you said here. However the flip side of the coin is that other people are paying for something that they had nothing to do with.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I'm pretty liberal on most things but I guess I'm rather conservative on the issue of abortion. I don't believe that abortion should be performed except under extreme circumstances, and I REALLY don't believe that taxpayers' money should be used to fund abortions except under even more extreme circumstances.

Let's put it this way. Getting date-raped is always an small possibility when you go to a club, a bar, whatever. That's just the inherent risk, and people have to know stepping into that club that there's a very small chance someone might take advantage of them, and get them pregnant. Getting pregnant might not be your fault, but it resulted because of a chain of decisions that you, yourself made. Why should the taxpayers be funding money for your indiscretions?

Just like every time I drive out onto the streets, I know there is a chance, however minuscule, that I might get into a car accident. Even if the accident isn't my fault, I still have to pay insurance, and in some cases I might have to pay for damages out of pocket. It does not entitle me to a free car repair from the federal government.
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Looks like we got some common gorund besides the Corps. LOL
 
megaprogman said:
Your comment mises my point entirely. We do not live in a theocratic or autocratic society is what I mean.
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My point being the country class that largely inhabits the flyover states is getting lousy representation. We constitute some half the population of this country and yet we have lousy to no representation in the federal government, little to none in the mainstream press, none in american colleges, and little to none in hollywood. Quite frankly I feel more like I'm living in occupied territory than a nation I have any actual ownership of. If anything I'd say we are members of an autocratic society as the leadership of both the democratic and republican parties largely come from the same social class. One that is mostly concerned with itself.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
I agree with what you said here. However the flip side of the coin is that other people are paying for something that they had nothing to do with.
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The well being of the person already alive takes precedence over the fetus in this scenario IMO. I do not take this stance on abortion with consensual sex, but with rape I do.
 
Dutch said:
My point being the country class that largely inhabits the flyover states is getting lousy representation. We constitutes some half the population of this country and yet we have lousy to no representation in the federal government, little to none in the mainstream press, none in american colleges, and little to none in hollywood. Quite frankly I feel more like I'm living in occupied territory than a nation I have any actual ownership of.
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You do realize that everyone feels this way and not just one side of the aisle, right? The individual details may differ, but everyone has a reason to complain that society does not represent them for some reason. What makes one group more special than another in this regard?
 
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megaprogman said:
Thats fine. However, if you were to get the fully realized version of the society you wanted, it means someone is going to get a raw deal. Its the nature of free will and the different cultures that result out of it.
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You mean, unlike now?
 
Dutch said:
My point being the country class that largely inhabits the flyover states is getting lousy representation. We constitutes some half the population of this country and yet we have lousy to no representation in the federal government, little to none in the mainstream press, none in american colleges, and little to none in hollywood. Quite frankly I feel more like I'm living in occupied territory than a nation I have any actual ownership of.
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You have the same representation in the Senate as every other state, and your representation in the house is determined by your states population. So your are represented fairly.
 
megaprogman said:
You do realize that everyone feels this way and not just one side of the aisle, right? The individual details may differ, but everyone has a reason to complain that society does not represent them for some reason. What makes one group more special than another in this regard?
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All the more reason for a divorce......and borders.
 
Dutch said:
All the more reason for a divorce......and borders.
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You should look at a map of district leans. The great geographical majority of this country is pretty purple.

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Your Star said:
The well being of the person already alive takes precedence over the fetus in this scenario IMO. I do not take this stance on abortion with consensual sex, but with rape I do.
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Then in that case it has to be proven to me that the mother's life is in danger. Actually if the victim was able to sue the father/rapist for damages to pay for it, then I'd be okay with that. But then you have to get into all the money it takes for the legal work to be done. I admit the issue is not as black and white as it seems to some people, but this is my personal opinion.
 
Its a womans body. If she wants to kill whats inside of her thats up to her. But for me paying for it... no way. She should pay for it
 
Your Star said:
Bookmark this post when people call you a fake conservative ;)

But of course I disagree, I think the federal government should spend money, and we should compromise on what it does spend it on.
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...and I feel the proper roll of government should be limited to; treaties, interstate commerce, protecting the borders of this country, and regulation of corporations. Anything else should be handled at the state and local level. There is no reason the state of california should not set abortion policies based on what it's people want. Naturally, I would want the same for arkansas.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Its a womans body. If she wants to kill whats inside of her thats up to her. But for me paying for it... no way. She should pay for it
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and I disagree. State sanctioned killing is........killing. not good for society or the woman involved.
 
megaprogman said:
You should look at a map of district leans. The great geographical majority of this country is pretty purple.

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I like this map better. At any rate let the peoples of the states make that decision.

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But anyway, back on topic...
 
The problem with your map is that it would still leave a huge number of people without a government they want, which seems to be your primary complaint, because they happen to be in the wrong state. It simply moves the problem, but does not solve what you seek to solve.
 
megaprogman said:
The problem with your map is that it would still leave a huge number of people without a government they want, which seems to be your primary complaint, because they happen to be in the wrong state. It simply moves the problem, but does not solve what you seek to solve.
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There are conservatives within the blue areas too. They can vote with their feet. I've lived and worked on both coasts. I came home when I became fed up with your cultural norms.
 
Dutch said:
There are conservatives within the blue areas too. They can vote with their feet. I've lived and worked on both coasts. I came home when I became fed up with your cultural norms.
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My cultural norms? I live in one of the reddest areas of the country :lol:
 
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