View Poll Results: Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No it's not, this thread is about this specific bill. If you wish to discuss this broader topic, start a new thread.
    Actually, I have to agree with Dutch here. Although I am pro choice, I am strongly against forcing Dutch, and others who believe that abortion is murder, to pay for something that they hold such strong beliefs against. Once again, my position on this is that this is an issue that belongs to the states, and not the Federal government.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I have no problem with excluding statutory rape from the definition. Kind of on the fence with the date-rape thing.
    Why? In the date rape case a woman is raped, just like a non date rape victim is raped. Plain and simple. And in the statutory rape case a young girl is manipulated by an older man to have sex with her, and isn't in her right mind.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, I have to agree with Dutch here. Although I am pro choice, I am strongly against forcing Dutch, and others who believe that abortion is murder, to pay for something that they hold such strong beliefs against. Once again, my position on this is that this is an issue that belongs to the states, and not the Federal government.
    The simple fact is, whether we like it or not, the very nature of being in a society means the society we are a part of is going to do things we do not like. We have to be mature enough to take the good for good though.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, I have to agree with Dutch here. Although I am pro choice, I am strongly against forcing Dutch, and others who believe that abortion is murder, to pay for something that they hold such strong beliefs against. Once again, my position on this is that this is an issue that belongs to the states, and not the Federal government.
    He was talking about how this country is divided, and how compromise will never be an expected outcome in America anymore, and using this as an example of how we are from different cultures, and how our lifestyles can't be compatible. Which is a much broader topic than what this thread is about.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, I have to agree with Dutch here. Although I am pro choice, I am strongly against forcing Dutch, and others who believe that abortion is murder, to pay for something that they hold such strong beliefs against. Once again, my position on this is that this is an issue that belongs to the states, and not the Federal government.
    I appreciate both your support and stance here. It's very considerate. However, I need to go on record about abortion. I don't consider it murder. I consider it state sanctioned killing. It's a small but important difference.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Why? In the date rape case a woman is raped, just like a non date rape victim is raped. Plain and simple. And in the statutory rape case a young girl is manipulated by an older man to have sex with her, and isn't in her right mind.
    That's why I said I was on the fence. As for statutory rape, it is usually consensual. How old exactly are most statutory rape victims? 15? If you can't "be in your right mind" and are easily "manipulated" at fifteen you aren't gonna get very far in life. As always abortion is a way to treat the symptom, and not the cause.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    He was talking about how this country is divided, and how compromise will never be an expected outcome in America anymore, and using this as an example of how we are from different cultures, and how our lifestyles can't be compatible. Which is a much broader topic than what this thread is about.
    .....and yet this explains the difference of opinion about paying for abortions, for any reason. I cannot accept the federal government using my monies to pay for any abortion, for any reason.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Of course it's too far, if someone drugs me at a pub, and I wake up pregnant, I'll want a tax-payer funded abortion. Of course, that scenario is unrealistic, as where I live has legal abortions up to 24 weeks covered under socialist healthcare anyway.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's why I said I was on the fence. As for statutory rape, it is usually consensual. How old exactly are most statutory rape victims? 15? If you can't "be in your right mind" and are easily "manipulated" at fifteen you aren't gonna get very far in life. As always abortion is a way to treat the symptom, and not the cause.
    May I ask why you are on the fence about it? And while yes I agree it is usually "consensual" in the sense that both parties agree to it, but it isn't legally consensual since one member is a minor.
    And yes I do agree that abortion is a symptom of the horrible state of our sexual education system, and the best way to stop abortions from happening is to give everyone a comprehensive sexual education. None of this letting parents sign a form to get their kids out of it crap.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Of course it's too far, if someone drugs me at a pub, and I wake up pregnant, I'll want a tax-payer funded abortion. Of course, that scenario is unrealistic, as where I live has legal abortions up to 24 weeks covered under socialist healthcare anyway.
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