View Poll Results: Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think her argument makes sense to me. But you are entitled to your opinion and she is entitled to hers, and it sounds to me like this point neither of you is going to change the others' mind so why don't you debate her position rather than what to call it.
    Of course it does, you're both american liberals/leftists. Of course for a guy like me I couldn't disagree with either of you more.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post

    Okay, granted. The same argument could be applied to prohibition and alcohol though, and the effects of that are well-documented.
    So are the effects of legalized alcohol. So you think we're really controlling who can get it? Are there still alcohol related problems?
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is a retarded argument for wanting abortion to be legal from a pro-life/anti-abortion perspective. Do you know why it is a retarded argument from a pro-life/anti-abortion perspective. Its because of the fact we as pro-lifers/anti-abortionist think the child the woman is carrying is equal to one outside the womb and deserves legal protection and that abortion should be treated just like murder. So the idea a woman should be legally allowed to kill her own child in order for it to be as safe as possible for her to kill her own child is laughable and idiotic.
    The effect on society of having a fetus terminated isn't as bad as having women killed by back ally abortions.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think her argument makes sense to me. But you are entitled to your opinion and she is entitled to hers, and it sounds to me like this point neither of you is going to change the others' mind so why don't you debate her position rather than what to call it.
    Again saying I'm pro-choice but not pro-abortion makes as much sense as saying I own a glock 19 but I do not own a gun. If you have a problem with the term call up websters dictionary and other dictionary companies to change the definition of pro-abortion from one who supports legalized abortion to one who advocated abortion or one who has an abortion.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Who's talking about reducing the rate of drunk driving. We're not talking about reducing the rate of abortion right? Isn't the argument that people should make their own moral choices?

    Sorry, SB, I just don't buy this. Making drugs legal would make them more readily available, not less.
    I happen to agree with your position. But there are people who believe that legalization of abortion is the lesser of two evils.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I disagree. "Pro-lifers" are not saying anything about death, really. What they ARE doing, however, is stating "there is no choice". Anti-choicers is the correct terminology. IMO.
    Well, pro-choice really only means choices they agree with.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The effect on society of having a fetus terminated isn't as bad as having women killed by back ally abortions.
    The life of an innocent human being is far more valuable than one who is not innocent. A woman trying to kill her child is not innocent, therefore no ill effect on society if she loses her life. I would even go as far to say that one who deliberately tries to take an innocent child's life has the same value as a cockroach.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So are the effects of legalized alcohol. So you think we're really controlling who can get it? Are there still alcohol related problems?
    Yes, we are. Let me give you an example, if a group of my friends say "hey lets get alcohol", but realize that their friend who is 21 isn't there, then they can't get it. But if they say "hey lets get weed, all it takes is a phone call." Prohibition does not make drugs less accessible.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    There were be a lot fewer of that than there are babies aborted every year. And for back alley abortionists, I'd be all for rooting them out and locking them up.
    I think the point went over your head.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The effect on society of having a fetus terminated isn't as bad as having women killed by back ally abortions.
    So, at what point in american history did we ever have 50 million women killed in back ally abortions over a period of some 40 years?
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