View Poll Results: Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    See, SB, I think the "people are going to do it anyway" argument is a terrible one. People will continue to drive drunk too, so should we just make it legal?
    Yeah, there's a high degree of utilitarian analysis to such issues. I believe that legalizing drugs, and taxing them, would be a much more effective way of regulating and decreasing their use. The same goes with guns. Your analogy doesn't really hold, however because there's no evidence to suggest that legalizing drunk driving would actually decrease the rate of drunk driving, whereas there is plenty of evidence to support the position that the legalization of drugs will actually put more controls on their use. My personal opinions regarding abortion are different from Your Star's, but I don't think her beliefs are unreasonable even if she personally thinks the act of abortion is wrong.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You can call her whatever you want to. Pro-Abortion, pro-choice, whatever. She believes that the name does not adequately apply to her beliefs. That is her prerogative. In the end this all just about what u want to call or name something and nothing to do with reality. It's a stupid argument that won't get resolved. Debate her position, not what she wants to call it.
    What is stupid to sit there and say you are are pro-choice but not pro-abortion. It makes as much sense as sayingl I have glock 19 but I do not own a hand gun.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    She is not a proponent of abortion. She is a proponent of having the right to have an abortion. This is better though, you actually almost addressed what some one said.
    It amounts to the same position.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    She is not a proponent of abortion. She is a proponent of having the right to have an abortion. This is better though, you actually almost addressed what some one said.
    She is a proponent of legalize abortion which makes her pro-abortion. That is the definition of pro-abortion.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, we will just have less women killed and maimed because of back ally abortions. And that is a good thing.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yeah, there's a high degree of utilitarian analysis to such issues. I believe that legalizing drugs, and taxing them, would be a much more effective way of regulating and decreasing their use. The same goes with guns. Your analogy doesn't really hold, however because there's no evidence to suggest that legalizing drunk driving would actually decrease the rate of drunk driving, whereas there is plenty of evidence to support the position that the legalization of drugs will actually put more controls on their use. My personal opinions regarding abortion are different from Your Star's, but I don't think her beliefs are unreasonable even if she personally thinks the act of abortion is wrong.
    So....just when did she say that?
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    She is a proponent of legalize abortion which makes her pro-abortion.
    And once again you go back to labeling instead of debating. Are you interested in actually talking about the issues in this thread?
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    It amounts to the same position.
    No, Dutch, it really isn't. I told you before, that I am not a proponent of more gun rights, nor do I support such activities such as hunting or fishing for sport. But I DO believe that everyone has the right to such things and it is not my place to dictate to you how I think you should live. It is entirely different. I happen to love wildlife and wild animals. I don't like it when they are killed for fun. But hunting is a right in this country (though regulated) and I do not support completely taking it away from you.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    It amounts to the same position.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    She is a proponent of legalize abortion which makes her pro-abortion. That is the definition of pro-abortion.
    Then I guess the two of you would agree that folks can all those who are "pro-lifers", "No-choicers", right? It is, essentially the same position, since it is an accurate description.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Then I guess the two of you would agree that folks can all those who are "pro-lifers", "No-choicers", right? It is, essentially the same position, since it is an accurate description.
    Pro-life actually is the same as pro-death, since many women would die from back alley abortions. I think they should embrace the term.
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