View Poll Results: Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not sure about that. I'm anti-initiating-wars-of-aggression-in-the-middle-east. I'm not pro-let's-not-spread-freedom-and-democracy-with-armed-force-wherever-we-choose-to.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Because the societal effect of having abortion illegal is worse than the society effect of having it legal. Also having abortion legal does not necessarily say abortion is okay, or right, it just gives people the choice to have that option. Hence the term pro-choice. And when you are dealing with laws it is best to look at the society effect the law will make, not if you personally disagree with it. I've discussed this with you before.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think the same could be said of many people who are for the legalization of MJ, even if they personally believe doing drugs is wrong. Your analogy is perhaps better than mine lol.
    Oh, the same arguments in favor of abortion are indeed used for legalizing drugs. They usually come down to, "well, people are going to do it anyway."
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Because the societal effect of having abortion illegal is worse than the society effect of having it legal. Also having abortion legal does not necessarily say abortion is okay, or right, it just gives people the choice to have that option. Hence the term pro-choice. And when you are dealing with laws it is best to look at the society effect the law will make, not if you personally disagree with it. I've discussed this with you before.
    yeah, we might end up with more black and poor white folk wandering around.


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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Oh, the same arguments in favor of abortion are indeed used for legalizing drugs. They usually come down to, "well, people are going to do it anyway."
    Same with guns, as I said before. One could believe guns are completely evil, yet if one supports banning guns you would have a thriving black market with no controls, very probably leading to even more violence. But personally I'm rather conservative on the issue of abortion if you want to look back at post #92 for my own position.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    X, let's put it this way.
    I'm not one of these people, but let's just say hypothetically I believe that all guns are inherently evil and nobody should have a gun. But I'm not going to support repeal of the 2nd amendment because I also believe those people have their own belief systems and their own rights and own peculiar situations, in which a gun might be necessary.
    Do you actually know anyone like this? Most firearm phobics do want to take guns away from everybody.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Oh, the same arguments in favor of abortion are indeed used for legalizing drugs. They usually come down to, "well, people are going to do it anyway."
    Yeah, as if we would have had 50 million illegal abortions in the last few decades.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    She says she believes the act itself is wrong. Most choicers say that. Seems very contradictory to me.
    Only because you have not looked at it closely enough. I don't have to like something to think it should be legal. If asked, I would advise in most cases against having an abortion. However, I think that since it is a moral issue that the country is divided on, that it is best left up to the individual to make the ultimate choice.

    Her position is actually quite consistent.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Same with guns, as I said before. One could believe guns are completely evil, yet if one supports banning guns you would have a thriving black market with no controls, very probably leading to even more violence.
    See, SB, I think the "people are going to do it anyway" argument is a terrible one. People will continue to drive drunk too, so should we just make it legal?
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    FACT: Your Star has stated that she believes abortion should be legalized.
    Which makes her pro-abortion.If your pro-gay marriage does not mean you have to run out and engage in same sex relations? Does being pro-2nd amendment mean that you have to run out and buy a gun? Does owning a gun mean that you are pro-2nd amendment? You can be a proponent of something and not have to partake in what you are a proponent of.


    FACT: Your Star has stated that she personally would never get one (and i'm pretty sure she probably won't need one unless she wants to do artificial insemination or something like that).
    Which has nothing to do with the definition of pro-abortion.

    Let's just start there, rather than whatever label or name you want to apply to her position, because names are just that: names. Let's start with reality first.
    She is the one trying to ignore the reality that she is pro-abortion.
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