View Poll Results: Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    For the same reason "pro-choice" people prefer that to "pro-abortion." It's inherently better to be "pro" something and "anti" something.
    Not sure about that. I'm anti-initiating-wars-of-aggression-in-the-middle-east. I'm not pro-let's-not-spread-freedom-and-democracy-with-armed-force-wherever-we-choose-to.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The only thing you are demonstrating here is that you don't have the capacity to understand nuance, and only see the world in black, and white. Also you are assuming why I am pro-choice is because I think abortion should be a right, which couldn't be further from the truth.
    Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The only thing you are demonstrating here is that you don't have the capacity to understand nuance, and only see the world in black, and white. Also you are assuming why I am pro-choice is because I think abortion should be a right, which couldn't be further from the truth.
    I understand nuance, however the net effect of your "nuanced" position on this issue is you will support abortion. In the end you cannot escape from that. You "stand" with those you want to continue this abomination, this holocaust, this state sanctioned killing.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
    I don't think she believes allowing people to make moral decisions for themselves is wrong.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
    Because reality is far more complex and nuanced than that. Why do people who claim to value human life support some wars, despite knowing that in all wars the possibility that at least one innocent civilian will be killed is almost guaranteed? Because reality is more complex, and less black-and-white, than people want to make it out to be.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
    Because the societal effect of having abortion illegal is worse than the society effect of having it legal. Also having abortion legal does not necessarily say abortion is okay, or right, it just gives people the choice to have that option. Hence the term pro-choice. And when you are dealing with laws it is best to look at the society effect the law will make, not if you personally disagree with it. I've discussed this with you before.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think she believes allowing people to make moral decisions for themselves is wrong.
    She says she believes the act itself is wrong. Most choicers say that. Seems very contradictory to me.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think she believes allowing people to make moral decisions for themselves is wrong.
    That damned personal responsibility thing!
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why would someone support something they know to be wrong?
    X, let's put it this way.
    I'm not one of these people, but let's just say hypothetically I believe that all guns are inherently evil and nobody should have a gun. But I'm not going to support repeal of the 2nd amendment because I also believe those people have their own belief systems and their own rights and own peculiar situations, in which a gun might be necessary.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Because the societal effect of having abortion illegal is worse than the society effect of having it legal. Also having abortion legal does not necessarily say abortion is okay, or right, it just gives people the choice to have that option. Hence the term pro-choice. And when you are dealing with laws it is best to look at the society effect the law will make, not if you personally disagree with it. I've discussed this with you before.
    I think the same could be said of many people who are for the legalization of MJ, even if they personally believe doing drugs is wrong. Your analogy is perhaps better than mine lol.

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