View Poll Results: Are These Additional Restrictions on Abortion Funding Going Too Far?

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Now you see the problems inherent with multi-culturalism.
    Multiple cultures is likely a natural result of having a society with any level of freedom for the citizenry.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    May I ask why you are on the fence about it? And while yes I agree it is usually "consensual" in the sense that both parties agree to it, but it isn't legally consensual since one member is a minor.
    And yes I do agree that abortion is a symptom of the horrible state of our sexual education system, and the best way to stop abortions from happening is to give everyone a comprehensive sexual education. None of this letting parents sign a form to get their kids out of it crap.
    I'm pretty liberal on most things but I guess I'm rather conservative on the issue of abortion. I don't believe that abortion should be performed except under extreme circumstances, and I REALLY don't believe that taxpayers' money should be used to fund abortions except under even more extreme circumstances.

    Let's put it this way. Getting date-raped is always an small possibility when you go to a club, a bar, whatever. That's just the inherent risk, and people have to know stepping into that club that there's a very small chance someone might take advantage of them, and get them pregnant. Getting pregnant might not be your fault, but it resulted because of a chain of decisions that you, yourself made. Why should the taxpayers be funding money for your indiscretions?

    Just like every time I drive out onto the streets, I know there is a chance, however minuscule, that I might get into a car accident. Even if the accident isn't my fault, I still have to pay insurance, and in some cases I might have to pay for damages out of pocket. It does not entitle me to a free car repair from the federal government.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's why I said I was on the fence. As for statutory rape, it is usually consensual. How old exactly are most statutory rape victims? 15? If you can't "be in your right mind" and are easily "manipulated" at fifteen you aren't gonna get very far in life. As always abortion is a way to treat the symptom, and not the cause.
    If you believe a 15-year-old is perfectly capable of consenting to sex, then you surely must be opposed to parental notification or parental consent laws, right?
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In this case, it both represents its citizens and does not represent its citizens which falls back to my original point. Nobody (except for a dictator) has the luxury of forcing society to be what they want it to be, the best we can do is fight for our beliefs and convince others of the rightness of it.
    I'd say the american left is doing a pretty good job of doing just that.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I'd say the american left is doing a pretty good job of doing just that.
    Than you suffer from the problem of thinking your stance is the neutral position. Nobody's is.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Multiple cultures is likely a natural result of having a society with any level of freedom for the citizenry.
    .....or in the case of abortion, the freedom to kill. What about the freedom to live? If we were a truly free society we'd have the freedom to live.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    .....or in the case of abortion, the freedom to kill. What about the freedom to live? If we were a truly free society we'd have the freedom to live.
    Your comment mises my point entirely. We do not live in a theocratic or autocratic society is what I mean.

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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm pretty liberal on most things but I guess I'm rather conservative on the issue of abortion. I don't believe that abortion should be performed except under extreme circumstances, and I REALLY don't believe that taxpayers' money should be used to fund abortions except under even more extreme circumstances.

    Let's put it this way. Getting date-raped is always an small possibility when you go to a club, a bar, whatever. That's just the inherent risk, and people have to know stepping into that club that there's a very small chance someone might take advantage of them, and get them pregnant. Getting pregnant might not be your fault, but it resulted because of a chain of decisions that you, yourself made. Why should the taxpayers be funding money for your indiscretions?

    ust like every time I drive out onto the streets, I know there is a chance, however minuscule, that I might get into a car accident. Even if the accident isn't my fault, I still have to pay insurance, and in some cases I might have to pay for damages out of pocket. It does not entitle me to a free car repair from the federal government.
    Getting date raped is never the victims fault, and in no way should the victim be forced to carry the baby that wasn't her choosing in her body for 9 months. I don't like abortion, and think the person shouldn't choose abortion in cases of consensual sex, but I can totally see, and support a person in wanting to not be reminded of being violated, and possibly the worst moment of her life for 9 months.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Well if you take that stance then we can't spend tax money on anything because there is nothing 100% of us agree on.
    Hey, guess what, folks? We have just solved the problem of Federal spending and deficits.
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    Re: Is This Going Too Far?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Than you suffer from the problem of thinking your stance is the neutral position. Nobody's is.
    No, I do not believe my stance is neutral. I think of myself as very biased, for my own culture, my own people. I'm very passionate about a number of issues. I'll leave the cold bloodedness to others.
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