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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    I would say HGTV beat DYI in the space race.

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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    50% obesity FTW

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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    When Russia brings the fatsoes to space, they will weight less!
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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That single act trumped the Soviet achievement of sending the first man into space eight years earlier. But what might have happened if the Soviet Union had got to the Moon first?
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    BBC News - What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?[/url][/
    As pointed out earlier, that is a HYPOTHETICAL article.

    Focus on facts, one that in the west people seem to think that the country with the greatest achievements in aeronautics = space race winner.
    Fact: The soviets won the space race.

    Eg) Using a hypothetical analogy as you seem to like them:
    What if in a few years someone beats Michael Phelps in his 2008 records, does this mean they won the 2008 Beijing Olympics? NO, it only means they did better in a LATER event.
    Same with the Soviets, the USSR made it to space FIRST, therefore the Soviets won the SPACE RACE.

    A few more facts:
    - The USSR got the space probe into space first (Sputnik).
    - The USSR sent first a man into orbit around Earth (Yuri Gagarin)
    - The USSR even got to the Moon first with an unmanned probe (Luna 2) this was in 1959 (10 years before the US made it to the moon)
    - First probe to Venus
    - First space station in 1971 (some on which still in use by the International community)
    - Mars 2, first object to land in Mars
    - First woman and first black person put in space by USSR

    These however will help you measure who accomplished the most in aeronautics (which as I pointed out earlier, is debatable), however who won the space race is a fact, the first one to make it into space.

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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    I'm one of 3 who marked "idk" because, quite simply, the space race is not over. Yeah, for 40 years we have been the only contenders in this competition, but asking "Who won the space race," is pretty much just like asking "Who won basketball?" There's a LOT of space out there. We, as a species, have gone to the moon a few times. As great an achievement as that was, it was only... well... one giant leap for mankind. If we're to survive the long run, we've got tocolonize the galaxy. One giant leap, check, we've still got a galaxy to cross. And if you think the rest of the world looks up to the night sky and thinks "Damn. America got that one," you're delusional.

    ...China plans on building the world’s most powerful rocket, capable of launching a staggering 130 tons to orbit.

    A few weeks ago, NASA announced the White House NASA budget request for FY 2012 (PDF), stating that $1.8 billion dollars be spent on designing a new rocket system to replace the Shuttle (and the canceled Constellation program). The lift capability specifically mentioned in that budget outline? "100 – 130 tons".

    Let me make a few points here.

    1) China, I think, is quite capable of following through on this. They’ve made a lot of progress in just a few years. They’ve put men in space, launched two successful missions to the Moon, plan on an unmanned lunar landing in the next few years, and an unmanned sample return mission after that. This new rocket — as powerful as a Saturn V — would be quite capable of landing humans on the Moon.
    Rocket envy | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine


    So yeah, we landed on the moon first. We walked around, took a joy ride, hit a few golf balls. That doesn't sound like a space race win to me.


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    The Saturn V (pronounced "Saturn Five") was an American man-rated expendable rocket used by NASA's Apollo and Skylab programs from 1967 until 1973. A multistage liquid-fueled booster, NASA launched 13 Saturn Vs from the Kennedy Space Center, Florida with no loss of crew or payload. It remains the largest and most powerful launch vehicle ever brought to operational status from a height, weight and payload standpoint.

    Wikipedia: Saturn V
    Last edited by idk; 04-28-11 at 11:15 PM.

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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    As pointed out earlier, that is a HYPOTHETICAL article.
    LMAO! Hypothetical or not, it still states FACTS.

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    Focus on facts, one that in the west people seem to think that the country with the greatest achievements in aeronautics = space race winner.
    Fact: The soviets won the space race.
    No. The former Soviet Union won the "race into space" as the article points of matter of factly. It also points out the USA put a man on the moon trumping anything that came before and declaing victory for the same country.

    Those are the facts. <---- Oh look I can bold words too!

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    Eg) Using a hypothetical analogy as you seem to like them:
    What if in a few years someone beats Michael Phelps in his 2008 records, does this mean they won the 2008 Beijing Olympics? NO, it only means they did better in a LATER event.
    Same with the Soviets, the USSR made it to space FIRST, therefore the Soviets won the SPACE RACE.
    AGAIN. The cold war and the space race are one complete item. With the ending of the cold war, no more race was left. End of story.

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    A few more facts:
    - The USSR got the space probe into space first (Sputnik).
    - The USSR sent first a man into orbit around Earth (Yuri Gagarin)
    - The USSR even got to the Moon first with an unmanned probe (Luna 2) this was in 1959 (10 years before the US made it to the moon)
    - First probe to Venus
    - First space station in 1971 (some on which still in use by the International community)
    - Mars 2, first object to land in Mars
    - First woman and first black person put in space by USSR
    That's all well and good, but means little now. We have gone far beyond that.

    The US crossed the finish line first by grabbing the Moon, and is still around to enjoy the benefits, lol. Not so much for the Soviet Union. Although Russia is doing OK.


    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    These however will help you measure who accomplished the most in aeronautics (which as I pointed out earlier, is debatable), however who won the space race is a fact, the first one to make it into space.
    Yes it is a fact that it was the US even according to the BBC, lol.


    The Americans won the race to the Moon when Neil Armstrong set foot on the lunar surface in 1969.

    That single act trumped the Soviet achievement of sending the first man into space eight years earlier. But what might have happened if the Soviet Union had got to the Moon first?

    The first manned lunar landing was a triumph for Nasa, and when the Americans won the Space Race, they also sounded its death knell.
    - BBC News - What if the Soviet Union had beaten the US to the Moon?[/[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by idk View Post
    I'm one of 3 who marked "idk" because, quite simply, the space race is not over. Yeah, for 40 years we have been the only contenders in this competition, but asking "Who won the space race," is pretty much just like asking "Who won basketball?" There's a LOT of space out there. We, as a species, have gone to the moon a few times. As great an achievement as that was, it was only... well... one giant leap for mankind. If we're to survive the long run, we've got tocolonize the galaxy. One giant leap, check, we've still got a galaxy to cross. And if you think the rest of the world looks up to the night sky and thinks "Damn. America got that one," you're delusional.


    Rocket envy | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine


    So yeah, we landed on the moon first. We walked around, took a joy ride, hit a few golf balls. That doesn't sound like a space race win to me.


    *edit:
    The Saturn V (pronounced "Saturn Five") was an American man-rated expendable rocket used by NASA's Apollo and Skylab programs from 1967 until 1973. A multistage liquid-fueled booster, NASA launched 13 Saturn Vs from the Kennedy Space Center, Florida with no loss of crew or payload. It remains the largest and most powerful launch vehicle ever brought to operational status from a height, weight and payload standpoint.

    Wikipedia: Saturn V
    Thanks! Finally one who understands it.. No one won, a multi team tournament competition where a few teams scored a goal in their first matches. That is not a winner of the space race.

    And...
    Dont forget that NAZI technology accomplished all that for America, not American technology.
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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thanks! Finally one who understands it.. No one won, a multi team tournament competition where a few teams scored a goal in their first matches. That is not a winner of the space race.

    And...
    Dont forget that NAZI technology accomplished all that for America, not American technology.
    It was 100% American as much as the Soviet program was. Or should we give all credit for space travle to the Nazi's?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Those are the facts. <---- Oh look I can bold words too!
    This is called trolling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    AGAIN. The cold war and the space race are one complete item. With the ending of the cold war, no more race was left. End of story.
    According to you, now tell me do you have a Phd in history to back up this argument? This is why you're getting so many replies from people, because you are not unbiased. If you want to say the race space is not over yet, then I agree no body has yet won it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The US crossed the finish line first by grabbing the Moon.
    Up above you said the cold war and space race was one, this shows how uninformed and biased you are, if this was true then the race would have been over at the collapse of the USSR not when the USA landed on the moon. POINT MADE, you're biased and not true to facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it is a fact that it was the US even according to the BBC, lol.
    Again, the race was extended by some westerners, this is why I sent you the 1961 article, clearly stating the race had been won by the soviets. I will post the link again so you can see the date of the article.
    BBC ON THIS DAY | 12 | 1961: Soviets win space race

    Biased answers, lacking in knowledge, and trolling only make arguments weaker.

    You're doing a good job at helping everyone here vote. In my first post the ratio USA to USSR was 9:2, now its 52:42%

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    Re: Who Won The Space Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    This is called trolling.
    And this is called a personal attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    According to you, now tell me do you have a Phd in history to back up this argument?
    Don't need it. Have an artivle from the BBC.

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    This is why you're getting so many replies from people, because you are not unbiased. If you want to say the race space is not over yet, then I agree no body has yet won it.
    It was over with the death of the Soviet Union. Any questions? Or should I repeat it again for the 4th time?

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    Up above you said the cold war and space race was one, this shows how uninformed and biased you are, if this was true then the race would have been over at the collapse of the USSR not when the USA landed on the moon. POINT MADE, you're biased and not true to facts.
    No I said "one complete item" in context meaning they where part of the same whole. Without the cold war no space race would have existed.

    As for the rest, who cares?

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    Again, the race was extended by some westerners, this is why I sent you the 1961 article, clearly stating the race had been won by the soviets. I will post the link again so you can see the date of the article.
    BBC ON THIS DAY | 12 | 1961: Soviets win space race
    I have seen the article many times now. It is from 61, mine is from now. No one extended anything except you. The race into space is not the space race, period.

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    Biased answers, lacking in knowledge, and trolling only make arguments weaker.
    This is not a personal attack or trolling, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    You're doing a good job at helping everyone here vote. In my first post the ratio USA to USSR was 9:2, now its 52:42%
    It was close from the begining. 9:2
    Last edited by Black Dog; 05-03-11 at 09:09 PM.
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