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Is Obama A War Criminal

Is Obama A War Criminal

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    Votes: 3 7.9%
  • No

    Votes: 32 84.2%
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    Votes: 3 7.9%

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Obama has increased the number of drone strikes as well as their locations and it is known to the public at large (and definitely to him) that these drone strikes are causing civilians to die. Since killing civilians is a war crime and Obama knows that these drone strikes do sometimes kill civilians, is Obama a war criminal?

Please note that I am not saying that the drone strikes kill only civilians, rather that they just kill civilians along with terrorists.

Please note as well that I am not saying that Obama is a war criminal, I'm just posing the question is all.
 
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Obama has increased the number of drone strikes as well as their locations and it is known to the public at large (and definitely to him) that these drone strikes are causing civilians to die. Since killing civilians is a war crime and Obama knows that these drone strikes do sometimes kill civilians, is Obama a war criminal?

Please note that I am not saying that the drone strikes kill only civilians, rather that they just kill civilians in general.

I believe that killing civilians with intent is a war crime. The military is generally very careful in trying to prevent civilian casualties with regard to drone strikes. I mean, most wars in general kill civilians, the probability of it happening is virtually guaranteed. That shouldn't mean that going to war in and of itself is a war crime.
 
If that is your logic then U.S was committed War Crimes in the Civil War, WW2 and Vietnam. We are fighting insurgency/terrorist that hide within civilian populations and because of that there is going be civilians deaths. It would be different if we were killing civilians just to terrorize so they would fear US more then the terrorist. As mush as I don't agree with Obama he is not a war criminal.
 
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Obama has increased the number of drone strikes as well as their locations and it is known to the public at large (and definitely to him) that these drone strikes are causing civilians to die. Since killing civilians is a war crime and Obama knows that these drone strikes do sometimes kill civilians, is Obama a war criminal?

Please note that I am not saying that the drone strikes kill only civilians, rather that they just kill civilians in general.

The war criminals are our enemies who hide in and amongst civilians as a military strategy.
 
The war criminals are our enemies who hide in and amongst civilians as a military strategy.

That's pretty much what the crux of insurgency is. When you're a lesser armed force fighting against a large conventional army backed by the world's largest economy, you're going to do whatever it takes to survive. That's just the reality of insurgency/terrorism/guerrilla warfare whatever you want to call it. It's just called being smart and doing whatever it takes to win.

That being said, the Taliban are guilty of causing much more civilian casualties than coalition forces. And everyone seems to be blaming NATO.
 
Obama has increased the number of drone strikes as well as their locations and it is known to the public at large (and definitely to him) that these drone strikes are causing civilians to die. Since killing civilians is a war crime and Obama knows that these drone strikes do sometimes kill civilians, is Obama a war criminal?

Please note that I am not saying that the drone strikes kill only civilians, rather that they just kill civilians along with terrorists.

Civilians always die in war... Soldiers kill people and take human life. In every war an innocent civilian will be killed and it’s called collateral damage. You’d think “collateral damage” is just buildings and trees, because it’s a very dehumanizing phrase but no… collateral damage includes human life. It's nothing new.

If want to prosecute Obama for this, then you'd better dig up Washington, Franklin, Lincoln, FDR, and all the other war presidents because they are all a bunch of criminals too
 
Obama has increased the number of drone strikes as well as their locations and it is known to the public at large (and definitely to him) that these drone strikes are causing civilians to die. Since killing civilians is a war crime and Obama knows that these drone strikes do sometimes kill civilians, is Obama a war criminal?

Please note that I am not saying that the drone strikes kill only civilians, rather that they just kill civilians along with terrorists.

Please note as well that I am not saying that Obama is a war criminal, I'm just posing the question is all.

If Bush was a war criminal, then Obama is a war criminal.
 
A war crime would be intentionally targeting civilians, and, as to my knowledge, this doesn't happen, so no, he's not.
 
Well that depends, is Obama still allowing people to be tortured?Allowing prisoners to be packed into cattle trucks and shot into a mass grave? If so then yes I would say he is but as far as I know he hasn't so I wont label him yet. But then again the fact that he even is still continuing these stupid wars makes him almost as bad as Bush, and Bush was a war criminal.

War Crimes and the White House: The Bush Administration's Cov... - Video
Dasht-i-Leili massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Links are for those of you who didn't know about the Dasht-i-Leili massacre.)
 
Well that depends, is Obama still allowing people to be tortured?Allowing prisoners to be packed into cattle trucks and shot into a mass grave? If so then yes I would say he is but as far as I know he hasn't so I wont label him yet. But then again the fact that he even is still continuing these stupid wars makes him almost as bad as Bush, and Bush was a war criminal.

War Crimes and the White House: The Bush Administration's Cov... - Video
Dasht-i-Leili massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Links are for those of you who didn't know about the Dasht-i-Leili massacre.)

Curious. Did Bush pack those people into those trucks and shoot them? Did American troops?
 
Curious. Did Bush pack those people into those trucks and shoot them? Did American troops?

To even think than any American President is criminal is "not so good"
This silliness belongs in the sewer, maybe the basement.
 
Curious. Did Bush pack those people into those trucks and shoot them? Did American troops?

Aw ok I see were your going with this and I think that argument falls short because everyone else when debating about Stalin or Hitler always brings up " O well they killed so many people" but nobaody ever says " well did Hitler kill those people or was it German troops?" But you could repley "well Hitler gave the order and so in a way he did kill all those people" Now no Bush did not literaly pack these people in and shoot them but theres no way he didn't know about and he did nothing to stop and/or condem the people who did. For all I know he could have ordered this but we don't know that he did so I wont go down that road, but Bush had to have known and he did nothing I'd say that makes him somewhat liable ya know being commander and cheif and all at the time.
 
Aw ok I see were your going with this and I think that argument falls short because everyone else when debating about Stalin or Hitler always brings up " O well they killed so many people" but nobaody ever says " well did Hitler kill those people or was it German troops?" But you could repley "well Hitler gave the order and so in a way he did kill all those people" Now no Bush did not literaly pack these people in and shoot them but theres no way he didn't know about and he did nothing to stop and/or condem the people who did. For all I know he could have ordered this but we don't know that he did so I wont go down that road, but Bush had to have known and he did nothing I'd say that makes him somewhat liable ya know being commander and cheif and all at the time.

From the wiki article you posted it was Dostum and the Northern Alliance who did it. It was a case of an erstwhile ally gone crazy. I highly doubt Bush ordered him to do it, or even knew about it until after the fact.
 
Well that depends, is Obama still allowing people to be tortured?Allowing prisoners to be packed into cattle trucks and shot into a mass grave? If so then yes I would say he is but as far as I know he hasn't so I wont label him yet. But then again the fact that he even is still continuing these stupid wars makes him almost as bad as Bush, and Bush was a war criminal.

War Crimes and the White House: The Bush Administration's Cov... - Video
Dasht-i-Leili massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Links are for those of you who didn't know about the Dasht-i-Leili massacre.)

Actuallly, torture does continue.

(Please note that their is a link inside that article which leads to more in-depth info)
 
To even think than any American President is criminal is "not so good"
This silliness belongs in the sewer, maybe the basement.

On the contrary. I think many Presidents in the past have done things that can totally be considered illegal or criminal. Just look at the course of US foreign policy in this last century. No international body is capable of enforcing international law and holding such people accountable.

However to blame Bush for the Dasht-i-Leili Massacre is rather absurd imo.
 
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On the contrary. I think many Presidents in the past have done things that can totally be considered illegal or criminal. Just look at the course of US foreign policy in this last century. No international body is capable of enforcing international law and holding such people accountable.

However to blame Bush of the Dasht-i-Leili Massacre is rather absurd imo.

I agree with you. Past presidents (not all of course), from Truman on IMO, have been at least accessories to war crimes.

You cannot blame Bush as he most likely did not know about it, but, and this is a maybe, some US SF personnel did know, because what happened at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan was that A-teams were sent to aid several NA commanders and the A-teams and NA Commanders, at the beginning of the war, were together 24/7.
 
Obama has increased the number of drone strikes as well as their locations and it is known to the public at large (and definitely to him) that these drone strikes are causing civilians to die. Since killing civilians is a war crime and Obama knows that these drone strikes do sometimes kill civilians, is Obama a war criminal?

Please note that I am not saying that the drone strikes kill only civilians, rather that they just kill civilians along with terrorists.

Please note as well that I am not saying that Obama is a war criminal, I'm just posing the question is all.

Is mr obama a war criminal? By the standards so many judged mr bush, then yes, he is a war criminal. Are/were those standards moronic, naive, childish, did I say moronic?, yes.

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Aw ok I see were your going with this and I think that argument falls short because everyone else when debating about Stalin or Hitler always brings up " O well they killed so many people" but nobaody ever says " well did Hitler kill those people or was it German troops?" But you could repley "well Hitler gave the order and so in a way he did kill all those people" Now no Bush did not literaly pack these people in and shoot them but theres no way he didn't know about and he did nothing to stop and/or condem the people who did. For all I know he could have ordered this but we don't know that he did so I wont go down that road, but Bush had to have known and he did nothing I'd say that makes him somewhat liable ya know being commander and cheif and all at the time.
Bush didn't order the killing of these prisoners. Does that answer your question?
 
I agree with you. Past presidents (not all of course), from Truman on IMO, have been at least accessories to war crimes.

You cannot blame Bush as he most likely did not know about it, but, and this is a maybe, some US SF personnel did know, because what happened at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan was that A-teams were sent to aid several NA commanders and the A-teams and NA Commanders, at the beginning of the war, were together 24/7.

I would say that if you want to accuse Bush or Obama of being war criminals, citing drone strikes doesn't really help. There are other rationales for accusing them as such, but I don't think drone strikes constitute war crimes.
 
Obama has increased the number of drone strikes as well as their locations and it is known to the public at large (and definitely to him) that these drone strikes are causing civilians to die. Since killing civilians is a war crime and Obama knows that these drone strikes do sometimes kill civilians, is Obama a war criminal?

Please note that I am not saying that the drone strikes kill only civilians, rather that they just kill civilians along with terrorists.

Please note as well that I am not saying that Obama is a war criminal, I'm just posing the question is all.

He just like Bush are not war criminals.
 
I agree with you. Past presidents (not all of course), from Truman on IMO, have been at least accessories to war crimes.

You cannot blame Bush as he most likely did not know about it, but, and this is a maybe, some US SF personnel did know, because what happened at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan was that A-teams were sent to aid several NA commanders and the A-teams and NA Commanders, at the beginning of the war, were together 24/7.

Perhaps, if US troops were on site and turned a blind eye to what was happening, then obviously there could be some misconduct there. Which is why Obama decided to launch an probe/investigation into the incident. But again, Bush is not responsible for what happened here. This particular massacre does not make Bush a war criminal.
 
Aw ok I see were your going with this and I think that argument falls short because everyone else when debating about Stalin or Hitler always brings up " O well they killed so many people" but nobaody ever says " well did Hitler kill those people or was it German troops?" But you could repley "well Hitler gave the order and so in a way he did kill all those people" Now no Bush did not literaly pack these people in and shoot them but theres no way he didn't know about and he did nothing to stop and/or condem the people who did. For all I know he could have ordered this but we don't know that he did so I wont go down that road, but Bush had to have known and he did nothing I'd say that makes him somewhat liable ya know being commander and cheif and all at the time.

First of Stalin and Hitler had policies for Massacres and Genocide. Secondly Bush and the American Government do not. Thirdly you can not blame Bush for something the NA did.
 
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