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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    So, you don't have a problem with us prosecuting mr obama?
    I would insist that Obama, once out of office, be prosecuted for his complicity in war crimes. Same as Bush.

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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, let's look at this. You began with a self-righteous tone about what is and is not collateral damage. Dead babies are just dead babies, right? To the military mission, civilainsdeaths are unfortunate and we have spent billions of dollars perfecting precision weapons to alleviate this burden of war. But in the end, dead babies are collateral damage.

    For over ten years, we watched and insured dead babies throughout Iraq via UN sanctions because we were too stupid as a Western people to finish the Gulf War. No care for those babies? After 9/11, a man named Osama Bin Laden (remember him?) used our decrepit mission over Iraq as an excuse for 3,000 dead Americans. Whether you wish to attribute this to corporate greed or not, this war had to be finished once and for all. But in your quest to hate on the war in Iraq (merely part two of the same war), you completely dismissed the little dead babies in Iraq throughout the 90s,didn't you? You seem to be a humanitarian of convenience. Very leftist of you.

    It's obvious from this one post that you haven't thought about the entire event at all. Just passing on the rhetoric of the anti-war protestor's bumper sticker.
    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And dead babies are dead babies, not collateral damage. The term exists only because we don't want to talk about killing babies. You want to talk about it, call it what it is. If that is self-righteous, so be it. We went to war against Iraq because of oil, not ben Laden. The majority of Americans are well aware of that. The crime they commited was socializing oil, not bombing the twin towers.

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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by McIntyre View Post
    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And dead babies are dead babies, not collateral damage. The term exists only because we don't want to talk about killing babies. You want to talk about it, call it what it is. If that is self-righteous, so be it. We went to war against Iraq because of oil, not ben Laden. The majority of Americans are well aware of that. The crime they commited was socializing oil, not bombing the twin towers.
    It wasn't about 9/11, and I not convinced it was about oil either. But I do agree that the term collateral damage is a way of softening what's happening. People die. They're not collaeral damage; they're the cost and result of war, made all the more damning when the war is needless, as iraq was.
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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by McIntyre View Post
    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
    Ah..The typical war protestor cut off. It is absolutely true that there was no tie between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. However, this is not what I stated. I believe that you knew exactly what I stated, but chose to pretend that another argument was being made so that you could cut off and not have to think about it. The fact is that Osama Bin Laden wrote in his letter that our UN mission over Iraq for the last 10 years was a reason for 9/11. Face it, Mr. Terrorist made this Iraq mission a part of the regional mission. People (like you I would guess?) are all about accusing America of wrong doing and insist that we be perfect. They were all about taking Bin LAden'sletter as gospel to show how we are screwing up in our foriegn policies. However, these same people careful remained far from the part where he usedthe UN Iraq mission didn't they? Of course, when it comes to actually dealing with our imperfections (UN Iraq mission) you shut down and simply spew..."Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11."

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    Quote Originally Posted by McIntyre View Post
    And dead babies are dead babies, not collateral damage.
    A dead baby is no more unfortunate than a dead adult. Collateral damage is the term used not to avoid the truth, but to simply move on with the mission. Because, in military terms, nobody cares what age the dead civilian is. Mission is mission and unintended death is unintended death. No dead baby halted the allied forces from winning two World Wars andno dead baby will halt the Western world'sfight agaonst those who would destroy what we hold dear. Time to whine about the casualties of war can come later..... after we've won. But my guess is that you only care about dead babies in wars you disagree with.

    Quote Originally Posted by McIntyre View Post
    We went to war against Iraq because of oil, not ben Laden. The majority of Americans are well aware of that. The crime they commited was socializing oil, not bombing the twin towers.
    Simple. Very simple. The majority of Americans have put further thought into this over the years and are no longer sitting on the fence of designed ignorance and politicial defiance. Oil was a part of this. So was this region's health. So was the never ending UN mission to starve out Iraqis just to contain one man and his regime. So was our allie's concerns that bordered Hussein's Iraq. So was a big excuse for all terroists to kill Americans. But "oil" is all you wish this to be about? Tell me... how's your gas prices been? Seems to me that if oil was all that mattered in this then we'd be sitting pretty right now. But let's just say that nothing else existed and oil was all there was for the sake of being simple. Historically, just about all wars have been about resources or land. From crusade missions to water, civilizations have fought over what is essentieally land and resource. Let's not pretend that oil doesn't matter today.

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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

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    Ah..The typical war protestor cut off. It is absolutely true that there was no tie between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. However, this is not what I stated. I believe that you knew exactly what I stated, but chose to pretend that another argument was being made so that you could cut off and not have to think about it. The fact is that Osama Bin Laden wrote in his letter that our UN mission over Iraq for the last 10 years was a reason for 9/11. Face it, Mr. Terrorist made this Iraq mission a part of the regional mission. People (like you I would guess?) are all about accusing America of wrong doing and insist that we be perfect. They were all about taking Bin LAden'sletter as gospel to show how we are screwing up in our foriegn policies. However, these same people careful remained far from the part where he usedthe UN Iraq mission didn't they? Of course, when it comes to actually dealing with our imperfections (UN Iraq mission) you shut down and simply spew..."Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11."

    Figure it out.
    Which was neither the stated reason for us invading Iraq, or reason to invade Iraq.

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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It wasn't about 9/11, and I not convinced it was about oil either. But I do agree that the term collateral damage is a way of softening what's happening. People die. They're not collaeral damage; they're the cost and result of war, made all the more damning when the war is needless, as iraq was.
    It was absolutely about ending the UN mission and dealing with this failing region. Everything else has been piled on and used by pundits to legitimize their political grandstanding or inabilities to think it through.

    Collateral damage is the general term to encompass civilian death and civilian structure. It doesn't just mean civilian death.

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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Chill out dude. I was stating an argument. I did not say that it was MY opinion. Only that the argument exists. Just because the UN says it's okay to do something doesn't mean that the UN had the right to give permission. All this BS about Johnson and Clinton is just water under the bridge and has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. And yeah, I think there are reasonable arguments for classifying Johnson and Clinton as war criminals. I'm not saying I think they are. Just that the arguments exist and that they are not unreasonable or moronic arguments.
    If Clinton is water under the bridge, then so is Bush. He's not President.
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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Well ! I see that the "tea bagging conservatives" ,the haters of President Obama, have defecated all over this poll.
    Now this poll should be flushed down the toilet.
    Thus, all the polls are meaningless and should be ignored.
    And who are the teabagging conservatives who defecated on this poll?
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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It was absolutely about ending the UN mission and dealing with this failing region. Everything else has been piled on and used by pundits to legitimize their political grandstanding or inabilities to think it through.

    Collateral damage is the general term to encompass civilian death and civilian structure. It doesn't just mean civilian death.
    That was never argued. WMDs were. And yes, everything including the kitchen sink was throw on. But nothing that justifed invasion was ever really argued. the war was needless.

    Now, the term. It's too clean. Too inaccurate. When people die, especiallywhen people die, the damage is real, and not clean at all. There may be times when we need to do this. But the reasoning needs to be sound, and the reasons strong and real. Iraq was none of this.

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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If Clinton is water under the bridge, then so is Bush. He's not President.
    Sure. I wasn't the one who brought up Bush in the first place though.

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