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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I love it when you pretend to be a lawyer. It gives me goose bumps.
    Glad I could make your day.

    The govt. in Pakistan today will not be the govt in Pakistan tomorrow. Since absolutely nothing is in writing everything is deniable. There is no Pakistani politician, officer or factotum who will ever admit giving Americans permission to kill Pakistani nationals on Pakistani soil. Any Pakistani who did admit such a thing would be murdered by his or her countrymen.

    So what evidence is there that Pakistan gave America tacit permission? Nothing is in writing. No testimonial evidence will be given by any Pakistani national. The only testimony will be from members of the Obama administration who are presumed to be biased and self-serving. No evidence. No defense. That permits prosecution.
    All you have to do is read the article I posted.

    Pakistani military spokesman Akhtar Abbas admitted yesterday that the US was using Shamsi "for logistics", as well as another airbase near Jacobabad, 500km northeast of Karachi, but insisted neither airbase was being used for Predator launches.
    Other Pakistani officials said the Government's publicly stated opposition to the drone strikes was "really for the sake of public opinion".
    Local journalist Safar Khan said: "We can see the planes flying from the base. The area around the base is a high-security zone and no one is allowed there."

    He said the outer perimeter of Shamsi was guarded by Pakistani military, but the airfield itself was under the control of US forces.
    There you have cases of Pakistani nationals admitting to US presence in Pakistan, and use of drones from a Pakistani airbase.
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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Pakistani military spokesman Akhtar Abbas admitted yesterday that the US was using Shamsi "for logistics", as well as another airbase near Jacobabad, 500km northeast of Karachi, but insisted neither airbase was being used for Predator launches.
    Other Pakistani officials said the Government's publicly stated opposition to the drone strikes was "really for the sake of public opinion".
    Local journalist Safar Khan said: "We can see the planes flying from the base. The area around the base is a high-security zone and no one is allowed there."

    He said the outer perimeter of Shamsi was guarded by Pakistani military, but the airfield itself was under the control of US forces.

    Akhtar Abbas admitted logistics but not predator/reaper use. This knocks him out as a witness.

    "Other Pakistani officials?" Name them. If they can't be identified they can't serve as witnesses supporting the defense.

    Safar Khan said he saw planes flying. Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence. There is no foundation in evidence saying the planes flight originated anywhere in Pakistan.

    It is factual details that must be established by the defense. So far you have no evidence that is admissible in Western jurisprudence. Lawfare.

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    Re: Is Obama A War Criminal

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It is absolutely logical and it was even forecasted by plenty.

    In regards to Iran. Here was one activist. You think he's alone?....
    So, if schools are already improving, and I cut funds, blow up a few building, saying it will improve schools, and things get worse, but years later things start to improve, my blowing them up is the reason? No, it is not logical. Sorry.

    This is what Bush stated....
    Yes, he said a lot of ****, most of it inaccurate and dishonest.

    While you were focusing on the latest IED in Iraq, I watched Iraqis vote and I read about Saudi Arabia allowing low level elections for the first time in history. While you were looking for Iraq to erupt into civil war, I was watching Iraqis vote again and read about the Lebanese crackdown to try to get Hezbollah out of their democracy. While you were looking for failure at every turn, I watched other Arab nations appoint ambassadors into Iraq. I watched the modernist voices in Egypt gain strength and unity against Mubarak. I watched Iranians demand fair elections after knowing they were cheated.

    ........And then Tunisia happened. ......and then Egypt happened. .....and then.....
    You have no idea what I've been focused on. Any success in Iraq has always been dependent on Iraqis' What your side often missed with their voting is one, they seldom knew what they were voting for, many believing they were voting for the US to leave. All along the way, many missed a lot. We turned countless corners, watched torture and abuse and corruption grow in Iraq, and eventually had to lower our standards. But the bottom line is Iran was the winner for our actions, the worse parts of Iran. Al Qaeda didn't do badly either, growing in number and prestidge. No, your romanticed view of Iraq is noted, but inaccurate.



    Who gives a **** what you want to call it? Despite the purest's notion of things, often, the ends absolutely justifies the means. Nobody cares about two atomic bombs that brought us victory do they? And we didn't bring death. They created death. Decades of pent up rage and oppression has the tendency to erupt when freed. Look what happened to Yugoslavia the moment the Soviets walked away. CENTCOM know this and accounted for it. Rumsfeld knew this and ignored it. In any rate, how much death do you think Egypt is going to go through? This is the process. Nobody created a nation out of perfect bliss.
    Well, I care about the nuclear bombs. Sure, winnwer write history. History is seldom pure and uneffected by the bias of the writers, but there is always a truth, whether we see it or not, a truth not subject to POV. If you enforce your will on a nation, not leaving it up to the people of that nation, you are an imperialistic force. The evil empire so to speak. Brittian is a good nation, full of good people, but imperialism hurt them in the long run. It will hurt us as well. Too bad we can't learn from the past, but insist on becoming drunk with the idea that we can control the world.

    Because it makes you re-think what you have absolutely taught yourself to hate, which has unwittingly placed you on the side of anti-democracy in the Middle East. "Our" dictator in Iraq was going nowhere without our intervention and without the most significant event in Arab recent history, there would be no dominoes today to watch on CNN and FOX.
    Isn't that always the argument from people on your side? Disagree must always mean the preson you're arguing with is blind in some way. I suggest that you may well be more blind than you know. But that type of argument won't take us anywhere immportant.

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