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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are correct, but term limits would have prevented him from continuing on in Congress to this day.
    John McCain didn't stay in Congress because he's an incumbent. Rather, McCain stayed in Congress because the voters like him. Also, I should point out that after the Keating Five scandal, McCain made campaign finance reform a major part of his personal platform precisely to avoid such a scandal from happening to inexperienced Congressmen and Senators again, and SCOTUS has struck down such attempts for reforms on donations. So he did atone for his actions, one reason why the voters of Arizona kept voting him into office.
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    John McCain didn't stay in Congress because he's an incumbent. Rather, McCain stayed in Congress because the voters like him.
    The system did seem to also work well for Tom Delay, Ted Stevens, Charlie Rangel, William Jefferson, etc, etc. I also ran found these statistics that were interesting:

    "After researching public records, newspaper articles, civil court transcripts, and criminal records, Capitol Hill Blue discovered that:

    * 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.

    * 7 have been arrested for fraud.

    * 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.

    * 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.

    * 3 have been arrested for assault.

    * 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a
    credit card.

    * 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.

    * 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.

    * 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.

    * And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity."

    AskMe: What percent of Congress have criminal records?


    "Mark Twain once said Congress may be America's only 'distinct criminal class' -- and this new study suggests he was correct,"
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Term limits don't change anything, because personality isn't that important when it comes to policy-making. Only ideology.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 01-28-11 at 03:09 PM.
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The system did seem to also work well for Tom Delay, Ted Stevens, Charlie Rangel, William Jefferson, etc, etc. I also ran found these statistics that were interesting:

    "After researching public records, newspaper articles, civil court transcripts, and criminal records, Capitol Hill Blue discovered that:

    * 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.

    * 7 have been arrested for fraud.

    * 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.

    * 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.

    * 3 have been arrested for assault.

    * 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a
    credit card.

    * 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.

    * 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.

    * 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.

    * And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity."

    AskMe: What percent of Congress have criminal records?


    "Mark Twain once said Congress may be America's only 'distinct criminal class' -- and this new study suggests he was correct,"
    Term limits is not the same issue as preventing criminals from running for office.

    All of the things you mentioned is, most likely, public record. Such things can, and do come out in campaigns. And then it is the choice of voters to weigh a person's record of criminal infractions against how well that person represents them in Congress.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Term limits is not the same issue as preventing criminals from running for office.

    All of the things you mentioned is, most likely, public record. Such things can, and do come out in campaigns. And then it is the choice of voters to weigh a person's record of criminal infractions against how well that person represents them in Congress.
    I see your point but I don't remember there being any public info available about the the ethics and criminal violations of Congressman like Tom Delay, Ted Stevens and others till they were near the end of their congressional stay. With no info available to the public, they would not be voted out based on those actions. Term limits would at least limit the time they could accept bribes.
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see your point but I don't remember there being any public info available about the the ethics and criminal violations of Congressman like Tom Delay, Ted Stevens and others till they were near the end of their congressional stay. With no info available to the public, they would not be voted out based on those actions. Term limits would at least limit the time they could accept bribes.
    Or, as I stated before, it would make bribery easiser because of inexperienced Congressmen from not understanding the difference between a "bribe" and a "campaign donation." In the United States, there's a very thin line between the two.

    Also, no system is perfect. There is no way to guarantee that authority figures won't commit criminal acts. So issuing term limits to prevent corruption won't really help, especially when it punishes those politicians who faithfully serve their constituents and don't take bribes.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Or, as I stated before, it would make bribery easiser because of inexperienced Congressmen from not understanding the difference between a "bribe" and a "campaign donation." In the United States, there's a very thin line between the two.

    Also, no system is perfect. There is no way to guarantee that authority figures won't commit criminal acts. So issuing term limits to prevent corruption won't really help, especially when it punishes those politicians who faithfully serve their constituents and don't take bribes.
    I'm not sure I buy that freshman Congressman would be as subject to bribes as someone that has been there for decades and had time to learn their way around the ropes designed to discourage bribery. And, I'm not sure how it would punish anyone if term limits were law. They would know the terms of their employment before running. I don't feel like we are punishing presidents by limiting them to two terms. However, I will agree to disagree. It is hardly a blip on my radar screen because I don't see any realistic mechanism for bringing it about.
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    The Founding Fatehrs envisioned 'public servants' like Congressman and Senators as temporary servants. They'd go to Congress... serve their terms, and go back to private life. They never envisioned the House or Senate positions as 'life' terms.

    I think over the years we have seen why.
    I've sometimes found myself wondering whether Congressional "service" could/should be like jury duty. But unfortunately, I can't imagine that would actually work out well.

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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    The Founding Fatehrs envisioned 'public servants' like Congressman and Senators as temporary servants. They'd go to Congress... serve their terms, and go back to private life. They never envisioned the House or Senate positions as 'life' terms.

    I think over the years we have seen why.
    I think we should make them all take drastic pay cuts, so they'd feel it's more of a public service and not try to make it a career... I think the more people involved in the government, the better.. and if it's not that well paying, it's a public service, and it has a term limit a lot more people will have the chance to get in office.

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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I think we should make them all take drastic pay cuts, so they'd feel it's more of a public service and not try to make it a career... I think the more people involved in the government, the better.. and if it's not that well paying, it's a public service, and it has a term limit a lot more people will have the chance to get in office.
    I think pay cuts may be a bad thing. If you cut pay for Congressmen and Senators, then only the wealthiest people can afford to run for office. That's bad whether or not term limits get implemented.

    Although I'd be willing to compromise and cut pay for Congressmen and Senators who are independently wealthy enough to be able to forego their congressional salaries. Basically, someone who makes only a few thousand a year will get a full congressional salary but someone who is a multi-millionaire and can maintain it even while in office will have to forego their congressional salary.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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