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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

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    That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that presidents chose to do it that way until the early 20th century, when the constitution was amended to say that it should be done that way... by law. I see no logical fallacy in that.
    Here' the comment that seems like a logical fallacy to me: "and two terms has been the norm from the inception of the country". If you are saying that this has any bearing on why it "should" be that way, it is a fallacy.
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

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    Well, I disagree. I don't want to take the power of who respresents the people away from the people.
    The people would still get to vote in their candidate of choice, there would just be less influence by corporate interest as I see it. However, I respect your opinion and think it is pretty much a moot point anyway as there does not appear a way to bring this about.

    I am curious though if you have the same line of thinking regarding the presidential term limits. Are we limiting the choice of the people by allowing only two presidential terms?
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

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    The people would still get to vote in their candidate of choice, there would just be less influence by corporate interest as I see it. However, I respect your opinion and think it is pretty much a moot point anyway as there does not appear a way to bring this about.
    There are other ways to limit corporate interest. A new candidate is just as succeptable as an incumbant to lobbyists and special interests. Maybe even more because of naivate.

    I am curious though if you have the same line of thinking regarding the presidential term limits. Are we limiting the choice of the people by allowing only two presidential terms?
    Nope, I'm consistent. I want the 22nd Amendment repealed.
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Here' the comment that seems like a logical fallacy to me: "and two terms has been the norm from the inception of the country". If you are saying that this has any bearing on why it "should" be that way, it is a fallacy.
    I don't see it that way, but it's hardly worth arguing over. We disagree. It happens.

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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't see it that way, but it's hardly worth arguing over. We disagree. It happens.
    That's OK. Here's a question for you and Catawba, since we're the ones talking here, currently. Since the two of you seem to be for term limits in order to limit the power of special interests and corporate interests, what are some ways that the two of you think that these two issues can be managed both with and without term limits?
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    There are other ways to limit corporate interest.
    Please, sign me up!

    A new candidate is just as succeptable as an incumbant to lobbyists and special interests. Maybe even more because of naivate.
    Perhaps you're right but it seems to me the longer they are in Congress, the more power they have and I always sort of thought there was a grain of truth to the old saying that power corrupts.


    Nope, I'm consistent. I want the 22nd Amendment repealed.
    Its good you are consistent I guess, but the thought of unlimited presidential terms scares the bejeezus out of me!
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's OK. Here's a question for you and Catawba, since we're the ones talking here, currently. Since the two of you seem to be for term limits in order to limit the power of special interests and corporate interests, what are some ways that the two of you think that these two issues can be managed both with and without term limits?
    Wish list time? OK, I would like to see a law that makes it illegal for any form of renumeration by corporation or lobbyist be given to politician or campaign. I would like to see a 5 year minimum waiting period before lobbyist or politicians could crossover in employment. And I would like to see the book thrown at those who violate the public trust.
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Please, sign me up!
    You just answered with some of my suggestions, below. Richard Pryor starred in a movie called Brewster's Millions. For those of you who don't know, the premise was that he had 30 days to spend 30 million dollars and have NOTHING to show for it at the end of the month... in order to get his REAL inheritance of 300 million. One way he figured out to spend lots of money without having anything of value at the end was to run for public office... sort of. There was a great quote in that movie. Pryor said, "why would someone spend a couple of million dollars for a job that pays $80,000 a year if they weren't planning on stealing a whole lot more than that?" One thing I would do is limit all single donations to a maximum of $1000... be it an individual, a company, or a special interest group. No exceptions. I would also cap the amount of money that one could spend on a campaign. Lastly, I would outlaw the use of riders in legislation.



    Perhaps you're right but it seems to me the longer they are in Congress, the more power they have and I always sort of thought there was a grain of truth to the old saying that power corrupts.
    I am of the opinion that this old parable is not always true.




    Its good you are consistent I guess, but the thought of unlimited presidential terms scares the bejeezus out of me!
    Not me... for the same reason that I am not fearful of term limits of Congress... in fact I'm less concerned about term limits of the President. The President is so high profile, that if he/she becomes corrupt or abuses their power, the people will recognize it and vote them out of office. The ulitmate "term limit".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You just answered with some of my suggestions, below. Richard Pryor starred in a movie called Brewster's Millions. For those of you who don't know, the premise was that he had 30 days to spend 30 million dollars and have NOTHING to show for it at the end of the month... in order to get his REAL inheritance of 300 million. One way he figured out to spend lots of money without having anything of value at the end was to run for public office... sort of. There was a great quote in that movie. Pryor said, "why would someone spend a couple of million dollars for a job that pays $80,000 a year if they weren't planning on stealing a whole lot more than that?" One thing I would do is limit all single donations to a maximum of $1000... be it an individual, a company, or a special interest group. No exceptions. I would also cap the amount of money that one could spend on a campaign. Lastly, I would outlaw the use of riders in legislation.
    I remember that movie, and I think your suggestions are good. There is not a one I would disagree with. But, do they stand any better chance than term limits of getting passed?



    I am of the opinion that this old parable is not always true.
    There are exceptions to every rule certainly.


    Not me... for the same reason that I am not fearful of term limits of Congress... in fact I'm less concerned about term limits of the President. The President is so high profile, that if he/she becomes corrupt or abuses their power, the people will recognize it and vote them out of office. The ulitmate "term limit".
    Didn't happen with W.
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    Re: Term limits on the House and the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I remember that movie, and I think your suggestions are good. There is not a one I would disagree with. But, do they stand any better chance than term limits of getting passed?
    I think the "average Joe" would see the direct connection between the things that I mentioned and corruption FAR more than the connection between term limits and corruption. So, yes. I think though both would have a very slight chance, the suggestions that I made... and you, too, would have a better chance of passing than term limits.

    There are exceptions to every rule certainly.
    Yes.


    Didn't happen with W.
    I think it did, but I also think the rules have changed since the Clinton years... and probably since Reagan. The partisan rhetoric has become so intense from both sides that you never know what is real, what is a witch-hunt, and what is false covering of one's President's ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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