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Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

Should we allow students to be recruited?


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bs-for lots of kids its a social networking facility. I remember my senior year going to a big state university (U Mass Amherst) to play in a national collegiate table tennis tournament. I was amazed at the lack of intellectual rigor there-I remember a girl from Brockport state hanging out with my team the whole weekend-she was #1 in her class and she said she needed to hang with people who actually were students

If you want "social networking" get on Facebook. University is to be the highest level of secondary education out there. It's focus is on competitive, intense, and diverse education. You can have sports, but sports are not first. School is first. Always. To claim otherwise is stupid. There's no point in being in school if you are not going to focus on school. I knew guys like that in my fraternity. They didn't last long. Sure it was fun to hang out with them, but they didn't do their work and they didn't play football so coach wasn't there to put pressure on professors and deans to change grades. They went away, and while I enjoyed their company and had fun with them; without actually doing school work you shouldn't be allowed to stay in school. That simple. Do the work or quit wasting mommy and daddy's money and get a job.
 
so when Yale let in chess masters who might have had lower grades that was bad? what bout Jodie Foster, David Hyde Pierce?

There IS a world of difference between having lower grades, and having to have somebody fill in the entrance paperwork for you.
 
so when Yale let in chess masters who might have had lower grades that was bad? what bout Jodie Foster, David Hyde Pierce?

If those "chess masters" did not meet the academic requirements of Yale, were they allowed to stay? Or is chess in Yale like football in most other universities?
 
There IS a world of difference between having lower grades, and having to have somebody fill in the entrance paperwork for you.

Precisely. I'm willing to have things open so that people can have chances. But you have to be able to do the work by yourself. I've seen one too many retarded football players getting "B"s because they had the right "backer" shall we say.
 
did it ever occur to you that staying eligible for sports has done a fair amount of increasing education in some minority communities

Yes, and I think it made sense for a period of time in our history. However, we have fallen behind other countries in education. which will be a disadvantage in the future. I think it is time to incentivize and glamorize academic excellence as we have done with sports in this country.

quoting Buffett gives me the LOLs btw

Oh, well here's one for you ~ “Older and wiser voices can help you find the right path, if you are only willing to listen.” ~ Jimmy Buffett
 
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If you want "social networking" get on Facebook. University is to be the highest level of secondary education out there. It's focus is on competitive, intense, and diverse education. You can have sports, but sports are not first. School is first. Always. To claim otherwise is stupid. There's no point in being in school if you are not going to focus on school. I knew guys like that in my fraternity. They didn't last long. Sure it was fun to hang out with them, but they didn't do their work and they didn't play football so coach wasn't there to put pressure on professors and deans to change grades. They went away, and while I enjoyed their company and had fun with them; without actually doing school work you shouldn't be allowed to stay in school. That simple. Do the work or quit wasting mommy and daddy's money and get a job.
well if the jocks cannot make grades they lose eligibility

problem solved.

but its fun watching an academic whine about athletes. I suspect athletes often do far better in the real world then academics. athletes have learned how to compete and deal with people far better in many cases
 
School is first. Always.

Isn't it ridiculous that you actually have to explain that to people? God, we as a species are definitely on the decline if some of us have to explain to others we go to school to learn not get laid and play sports.
 
There IS a world of difference between having lower grades, and having to have somebody fill in the entrance paperwork for you.

that certainly didn't happen at my college or the one where I was recruiting varsity athletes
 
well if the jocks cannot make grades they lose eligibility

problem solved.

That failed to address the point that athlete's are often given an easier time because of teacher preference.
 
that certainly didn't happen at my college or the one where I was recruiting varsity athletes

Because you obviously knew every athlete that applied, and got in, and followed them all since before you knew they were sending in their paperwork.
 
If those "chess masters" did not meet the academic requirements of Yale, were they allowed to stay? Or is chess in Yale like football in most other universities?

you are confused-some had lower gpa's then many people rejected for admission the admissions office was seeking excellence and a guy like Joel Benjamin or Evan Michaelides or Mike Rohde are excellent chess players. I suppose one of the arguments was a guy who was a 2500 level chess player spent so many hours studying chess it migh have impacted his GPA and despite that the intellectual rigor was there (and all of them did very well in college). the same as an all american HS swimmer with a 3.8 vs a nerd who did nthing but study and had a 3.9
 
Yes, and I think it made sense for a period of time in our history. However, we have fallen behind other countries in education. which will be disadvantage in the future. I think it is time to incentivize and glamorize academic excellence as we have done with sports in this country.



Oh, well here's one for you ~ “Older and wiser voices can help you find the right path, if you are only willing to listen.” ~ Jimmy Buffett

athletics is not the reason for that
 
Because you obviously knew every athlete that applied, and got in, and followed them all since before you knew they were sending in their paperwork.

that is stupid-maybe you can prove that it did happen. or happened at a level significant to this argument
 
Precisely. I'm willing to have things open so that people can have chances. But you have to be able to do the work by yourself. I've seen one too many retarded football players getting "B"s because they had the right "backer" shall we say.

Hell...I wont lie...I went to 'night school' for a year to maintain my academic eligibility for a full year while playing football. Which is to say I was enrolled in classes. Cant say I ever actually attended them.
 
That failed to address the point that athlete's are often given an easier time because of teacher preference.

can you prove that? blind grading is the norm at most universities
 
well if the jocks cannot make grades they lose eligibility

problem solved.

but its fun watching an academic whine about athletes. I suspect athletes often do far better in the real world then academics. athletes have learned how to compete and deal with people far better in many cases

If you don't think there is extreme competition in academics, then you're a fool. You think athletes do better? Let's see one become Secretary of Energy (that's Dr. Steven Chu, in case you do not know, Nobel Prize winning physicist.). And that isn't problem solved. The problem isn't that these guys will fail out; the problem particularly in basketball and football is that those people DO NOT fail out.
 
that is stupid-maybe you can prove that it did happen. or happened at a level significant to this argument

I have plenty of anecdotal evidence, which you can either choose to believe or not believe. More basketball players than I could name at my school were literally babied through the entire application process, which is easier than taking candy from a baby. They got into colleges. I assure you, they did not deserve those spots in college, they were borderline retarded. This was mainly in the UC's and CSU's.
 
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can you prove that? blind grading is the norm at most universities

You've got to be kidding me. Now that was BS. It happens all the time, mostly isolated to football and basketball.
 
you are confused-some had lower gpa's then many people rejected for admission the admissions office was seeking excellence and a guy like Joel Benjamin or Evan Michaelides or Mike Rohde are excellent chess players. I suppose one of the arguments was a guy who was a 2500 level chess player spent so many hours studying chess it migh have impacted his GPA and despite that the intellectual rigor was there (and all of them did very well in college). the same as an all american HS swimmer with a 3.8 vs a nerd who did nthing but study and had a 3.9

That swimmer ain't gonna swim his way to new technology, the scientist or engineer who studied their ass off to perform academically will (well they won't swim, but they'll research and study and discover new things). The medical doctor who dedicates his life to researching disease will do something real. Sports gets you the court jester, the people to dance and sing and make us laugh. But sports has little impact on our society past entertainment.
 
If you don't think there is extreme competition in academics, then you're a fool. You think athletes do better? Let's see one become Secretary of Energy (that's Dr. Steven Chu, in case you do not know, Nobel Prize winning physicist.). And that isn't problem solved. The problem isn't that these guys will fail out; the problem particularly in basketball and football is that those people DO NOT fail out.

I suspect I was at a far more competitive academic environment than you were
Lets see

Jimmy carter-President-varsity runner
GHWB-President-varsity baseball captain
Jerry Ford-star football player-graduated top of his class at Yale Law
Byron "whizzer White-Rhodes scholar, NFL star supreme court justice

the business world is full of guys recruited to play sports
same with acting-the leading actor on the most popular show on TV was a quarterback at a big californianD-I school
 
That swimmer ain't gonna swim his way to new technology, the scientist or engineer who studied their ass off to perform academically will (well they won't swim, but they'll research and study and discover new things). The medical doctor who dedicates his life to researching disease will do something real. Sports gets you the court jester, the people to dance and sing and make us laugh. But sports has little impact on our society past entertainment.

nor will the average student from universities who recruit athletes. the average Ohio State or UCLA or U of F students isn't going to do that either and its not the TOP students who get booted in favor of a jock but the marginal ones
 
You've got to be kidding me. Now that was BS. It happens all the time, mostly isolated to football and basketball.

who gets turned down by OSU or U of Michigan or U of CLA or U of texas in favor of a football jock
not the guy with a 1550 SAT and a 4.3-
rather the people who are just on the edge of acceptance

OSU might have 12,000 kids in its freshman class and might have say 300 athletes. those displaced would have been in the bottom of 12,000. you are making a mountain out of a molehill

the kids going to Ohio State in the HONORS program or the scholar program aren't the ones being rejected in favor of the kid who was declared MR FOOTBALL in Ohio
 
I suspect I was at a far more competitive academic environment than you were
Lets see

Jimmy carter-President-varsity runner
GHWB-President-varsity baseball captain
Jerry Ford-star football player-graduated top of his class at Yale Law
Byron "whizzer White-Rhodes scholar, NFL star supreme court justice

the business world is full of guys recruited to play sports
same with acting-the leading actor on the most popular show on TV was a quarterback at a big californianD-I school

Yeah, well we'll see if TO or Ochocinco makes it that far. There's nothing that says smart people can't play sports. There is something that says dumb people cannot excel in academics. And because of the circus that's become of our college sports, it's getting to the point where retards are ushered in, treated like kings, and get degrees they didn't earn because they couldn't do the work. But by virtue of being an "athlete" there were people to put pressure where it needed to be in order to get grades changed where they needed to be changed.

Academic standings is the most important thing in academia. It's not sport-ia, it's academia.
 
Yeah, well we'll see if TO or Ochocinco makes it that far. There's nothing that says smart people can't play sports. There is something that says dumb people cannot excel in academics. And because of the circus that's become of our college sports, it's getting to the point where retards are ushered in, treated like kings, and get degrees they didn't earn because they couldn't do the work. But by virtue of being an "athlete" there were people to put pressure where it needed to be in order to get grades changed where they needed to be changed.

Academic standings is the most important thing in academia. It's not sport-ia, it's academia.
and the academic standards of the kids who are on the bubble of ANY of the big sport schools are rather low
again its not the future phi beta kappas who get booted in favor of the boy who has a 100 MPH fastball or runs the 100 in 9.9
 
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