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Thread: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you want "social networking" get on Facebook. University is to be the highest level of secondary education out there. It's focus is on competitive, intense, and diverse education. You can have sports, but sports are not first. School is first. Always. To claim otherwise is stupid. There's no point in being in school if you are not going to focus on school. I knew guys like that in my fraternity. They didn't last long. Sure it was fun to hang out with them, but they didn't do their work and they didn't play football so coach wasn't there to put pressure on professors and deans to change grades. They went away, and while I enjoyed their company and had fun with them; without actually doing school work you shouldn't be allowed to stay in school. That simple. Do the work or quit wasting mommy and daddy's money and get a job.
    well if the jocks cannot make grades they lose eligibility

    problem solved.

    but its fun watching an academic whine about athletes. I suspect athletes often do far better in the real world then academics. athletes have learned how to compete and deal with people far better in many cases



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    School is first. Always.
    Isn't it ridiculous that you actually have to explain that to people? God, we as a species are definitely on the decline if some of us have to explain to others we go to school to learn not get laid and play sports.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There IS a world of difference between having lower grades, and having to have somebody fill in the entrance paperwork for you.
    that certainly didn't happen at my college or the one where I was recruiting varsity athletes



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well if the jocks cannot make grades they lose eligibility

    problem solved.
    That failed to address the point that athlete's are often given an easier time because of teacher preference.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that certainly didn't happen at my college or the one where I was recruiting varsity athletes
    Because you obviously knew every athlete that applied, and got in, and followed them all since before you knew they were sending in their paperwork.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If those "chess masters" did not meet the academic requirements of Yale, were they allowed to stay? Or is chess in Yale like football in most other universities?
    you are confused-some had lower gpa's then many people rejected for admission the admissions office was seeking excellence and a guy like Joel Benjamin or Evan Michaelides or Mike Rohde are excellent chess players. I suppose one of the arguments was a guy who was a 2500 level chess player spent so many hours studying chess it migh have impacted his GPA and despite that the intellectual rigor was there (and all of them did very well in college). the same as an all american HS swimmer with a 3.8 vs a nerd who did nthing but study and had a 3.9



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, and I think it made sense for a period of time in our history. However, we have fallen behind other countries in education. which will be disadvantage in the future. I think it is time to incentivize and glamorize academic excellence as we have done with sports in this country.



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    athletics is not the reason for that



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Because you obviously knew every athlete that applied, and got in, and followed them all since before you knew they were sending in their paperwork.
    that is stupid-maybe you can prove that it did happen. or happened at a level significant to this argument



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    athletics is not the reason for that
    You're partially correct. The overstated importance of athletics in our high schools, not colleges, is the reason for that.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Precisely. I'm willing to have things open so that people can have chances. But you have to be able to do the work by yourself. I've seen one too many retarded football players getting "B"s because they had the right "backer" shall we say.
    Hell...I wont lie...I went to 'night school' for a year to maintain my academic eligibility for a full year while playing football. Which is to say I was enrolled in classes. Cant say I ever actually attended them.

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