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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    but universities are far more than mere academics. there are many way to learn outside of classrooms. I had never met a Hasidic Jew or someone of the Bahai faith or an Intertnational master in chess before going to college. having all as suitemates taught me as much as I learned in a classroom stocked with the best students and professors in the USA
    University is for the most academically rigorous, challenging, and diverse education. Universities are not "far more" than mere academics. It's dominated by academics with some other **** thrown in so normal people don't lose their minds.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I do, and I've seen first hand athletes fail at it and get bailed out by the coaches and administrators.
    and my roommate freshman year at Yale had perfect boards and was valedictorian from one of the finest prep schools in the USA and he snorted his way out of college.

    You really seem to have a hard on for athletes



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    University is for the most academically rigorous, challenging, and diverse education. Universities are not "far more" than mere academics. It's dominated by academics with some other **** thrown in so normal people don't lose their minds.
    bs-for lots of kids its a social networking facility. I remember my senior year going to a big state university (U Mass Amherst) to play in a national collegiate table tennis tournament. I was amazed at the lack of intellectual rigor there-I remember a girl from Brockport state hanging out with my team the whole weekend-she was #1 in her class and she said she needed to hang with people who actually were students



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I disagree with your claims-a university is about learning and that has several different areas where that can take place
    You can disagree with my claims all you want. I'm an academic, it's what I do. I see what goes on, I've interacted with those "student" athletes, tutored them as best they could be. I've seen them get their passes merely because they were in the right sport. You can play sports in University but the first part of student athlete is STUDENT. You have to study, you have to perform. No special treatment, no passes. Do the work or go home.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You can disagree with my claims all you want. I'm an academic, it's what I do. I see what goes on, I've interacted with those "student" athletes, tutored them as best they could be. I've seen them get their passes merely because they were in the right sport. You can play sports in University but the first part of student athlete is STUDENT. You have to study, you have to perform. No special treatment, no passes. Do the work or go home.
    and I was a varsity letter winner in one sport, a jv letter winner in another and got four "club" letters in yet a third and graduated with a 3.75 I then coached a top ten varsity program while going to law and grad school at another Ivy. I think you have a rather biased anti athletic view. I am glad I played sports in college and I would suggest not enough athletics is causing more problems than not enough studying for many Americans



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    bs-for lots of kids its a social networking facility. I remember my senior year going to a big state university (U Mass Amherst) to play in a national collegiate table tennis tournament. I was amazed at the lack of intellectual rigor there-I remember a girl from Brockport state hanging out with my team the whole weekend-she was #1 in her class and she said she needed to hang with people who actually were students
    If you want "social networking" get on Facebook. University is to be the highest level of secondary education out there. It's focus is on competitive, intense, and diverse education. You can have sports, but sports are not first. School is first. Always. To claim otherwise is stupid. There's no point in being in school if you are not going to focus on school. I knew guys like that in my fraternity. They didn't last long. Sure it was fun to hang out with them, but they didn't do their work and they didn't play football so coach wasn't there to put pressure on professors and deans to change grades. They went away, and while I enjoyed their company and had fun with them; without actually doing school work you shouldn't be allowed to stay in school. That simple. Do the work or quit wasting mommy and daddy's money and get a job.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so when Yale let in chess masters who might have had lower grades that was bad? what bout Jodie Foster, David Hyde Pierce?
    There IS a world of difference between having lower grades, and having to have somebody fill in the entrance paperwork for you.

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so when Yale let in chess masters who might have had lower grades that was bad? what bout Jodie Foster, David Hyde Pierce?
    If those "chess masters" did not meet the academic requirements of Yale, were they allowed to stay? Or is chess in Yale like football in most other universities?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There IS a world of difference between having lower grades, and having to have somebody fill in the entrance paperwork for you.
    Precisely. I'm willing to have things open so that people can have chances. But you have to be able to do the work by yourself. I've seen one too many retarded football players getting "B"s because they had the right "backer" shall we say.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    did it ever occur to you that staying eligible for sports has done a fair amount of increasing education in some minority communities
    Yes, and I think it made sense for a period of time in our history. However, we have fallen behind other countries in education. which will be a disadvantage in the future. I think it is time to incentivize and glamorize academic excellence as we have done with sports in this country.

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