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Thread: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Wouldn't a good student deserve that spot more than the athlete? I've always felt that athletes in a general sense should not be given the same amount of recognition as academics, or artists, because they don't really do any s**t for humanity. Sure, they appeal to the barbaric sense in us all--we like seeing people beat the crap out of each other for example--but their contribution to humanity reached its limit when we started inventing guns and weapons to replace a need to be the biggest or fastest.
    sure but many of the kids who go to the big state schools where athletics really matter (OSU, Florida Alabama Michigan, etc) have hundreds of lackluster students who really aren't good at anything.

    The kids who get recruited to play squash for dartmouth or williams are exceptional kids



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    I agree with what some have already said - schools should not be spending limited resources on giving athletes free rides over those of superior academic abilities.

    The same way schools should not give priority to the children of alumni. Each student should stand on her own academic merits.

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Just because we have AA means every other type of restriction, or preference is allowable, or even warranted. Hell, I'd argue AA isn't necessary for the msot part now either.

    And for every athlete, there was still another student out there, who was smarter, or more intelligent.
    My brother was an admissions officer for Yale. Probably the most selective college in the Nation. Yale seeks a diverse class not people who were somewhat good at a bunch of thiings. One of my suitemates had average HS grades. True he had perfect scores but he had a B average. why did he get into Yale-because at age 17 he took out Robert Byrne and Nick De Furmian at one of the most prestigious chess tournaments in the USA. he had a 2450 rating. He was NOT well rounded but a class that had him, and many who were excellent at many different areas made for an incredibly diverse and interesting class

    The day I received my diploma, I sat next to a guy who know teaches at Oxford or the LSE (joint appointments). They called my name and the honors I earned. Then they called his he was jr Phi Beta Kappa, summa Cum Laude with distinction in literature classics and philosophy etc. So he sits down and I said-damn I wish i had studied as hard as you did-maybe i would have been summa. he looked at me-and in all honesty-said, hey sometimes I wished I was out practicing in driving rain like you did almost every weekend so the US Olympic Committee invited me to live and train at the otc for the 1980 games. People at those schools recognize excellence and achievemnt in areas they don't delve into.

    The vast majority of recruited athletes I met in college, and later at law and grad school (where i ended up coaching a varsity sport) added much to the schools.



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I agree with what some have already said - schools should not be spending limited resources on giving athletes free rides over those of superior academic abilities.

    The same way schools should not give priority to the children of alumni. Each student should stand on her own academic merits.
    that sounds good but is stupid some kid mouthed the same thing to Sterling Professor Robert Dahl many years ago at Morse College at Yale. Dahl looked at the guy and then asked him how many students in the dining hall did this student think were getting financial aid. Probably half the student said Exactly said Dahl. and he noted if Yale didn't give legacies breaks (btw legacy admissions usually graduate with a higher average than non legacies) alumni giving would decrease dramatically and many smart students couldn't afford the place and many professors would have to find employment in the corporate sector

    reality sort of bitch slaps the utopian pillow heads



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I find it annoying that idiots who can barely read will get full rides to prestigious universities and also have all their cheating done for them so they don't have to worry about classes. It brings in some money, but you have to spend a lot of money on it in return when the money could have been better invested into academic programs.
    I was a scholarship athlete at a D-1 university, and while it isn't a big name in football or basketball, it is competitive in many sports, especially ice hockey. Student-athletes were REQUIRED to meet admission requirements AFTER scholarships were offerred. I also didn't see any grades altered or any cheating, though students who needed it were provided tutors to HELP them to understand the material, but NOT take exams for them. Living in the athletic dorm (something, unfortunately, not allowed today by NCAA regs), I saw first hand the difficulties faced my many student-athletes due to the time pressures created by being a full time student at the same time as being an athlete.

    I do believe athletics should be considered positively AND scholarships should be continued, but regular admissions requirements should apply to all student-athletes.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Is it a good idea to keep admitting students to colleges based on their athletic skills rather than their academic skills?

    While I'm not against considering sports as a benefit to a student's resume, I'm talking about recruiting people specifically because of their sports skills.
    As long as students who can academically qualify are not left out in the cold, sure.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I agree with what some have already said - schools should not be spending limited resources on giving athletes free rides over those of superior academic abilities.

    The same way schools should not give priority to the children of alumni. Each student should stand on her own academic merits.
    You know, in most states, athletic funds (including scholarships) are separate from the general fund of the university. My athletic scholarships were funded by money raised separatly by the athletic department, not from the general fund of the university...
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what does that mean-it makes no sense
    Society is obsessed with being visually perfect. If you are smart and not athletic, it makes you lesser to someone who is a great athlete and smart. But if you're and athlete with no smarts, you're still better than the intellectual. Looking good seems to get you further than smarts nowadays. That is what makes no sense to me.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Society is obsessed with being visually perfect. If you are smart and not athletic, it makes you lesser to someone who is a great athlete and smart. But if you're and athlete with no smarts, you're still better than the intellectual. Looking good seems to get you further than smarts nowadays. That is what makes no sense to me.
    that makes no sense to me either-and its not the case at top universities. People who learn to compete successfully in college athletics tend to compete successfully after college. its a character builder. looking good tends to work the best in leftwing dominated professions-acting, tv shows, etc.



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I was a scholarship athlete at a D-1 university, and while it isn't a big name in football or basketball, it is competitive in many sports, especially ice hockey. Student-athletes were REQUIRED to meet admission requirements AFTER scholarships were offerred. I also didn't see any grades altered or any cheating, though students who needed it were provided tutors to HELP them to understand the material, but NOT take exams for them. Living in the athletic dorm (something, unfortunately, not allowed today by NCAA regs), I saw first hand the difficulties faced my many student-athletes due to the time pressures created by being a full time student at the same time as being an athlete.

    I do believe athletics should be considered positively AND scholarships should be continued, but regular admissions requirements should apply to all student-athletes.
    That is how it is here at BU too. Even though our sport kids might not be the brightest, the have to attend a certain percentage of classes or they will get kicked off their team and lose their scholarship. At least that is how it is with Track and Field, Swimming, Hockey, and I believe Soccer. So I imagine that it would be similar for all our other sports as well. And most of the athletes that I know are C=/B- range, unless they are in one of our harder majors.

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