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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You were making fun of intellectuals. When I made fun of certain jocks, I got called anti-athlete or something like that.

    By the way, you may want to go back and get a degree in English. I have said many times that there are smart athletes and that my problem was not with them. But rather my problem is with the athletes who cannot maintain on their own the academic standards of the University but are none the less allowed to persist and graduate from University.
    How was I making fun of intellectuals? I was pointing out that many professors don't understand the pressures that student-athletes have and sometimes actually make life more difficult for them. Hardly the same as what YOU are doing...
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A portion of our research grants does go to athletics. The point aside. The question was is it beneficial. To which people said yes because it brings in money to the University. I was merely clarifying that while it can bring in money (depending on the size of the program), that money doesn't go to the University at large; but rather is funneled back into the athletics department. So just because it brings in money does not mean that it is providing a benefit to the University as a whole.

    It's a funny thing about that crying football program because our football program does cry a lot. And we give in. They need new facilities, they need an indoor practice arena because outside is cold, they need this, they need that. They don't go out and have a bake sale, they cry to us. And we give in. And student fees go up, and general funds goes down. We all pay more, give them what they want; and the still suck. I think we should get a little something something for our money.

    Well in reality, I think that CSU football should be a club sport and our hockey club and or baseball club should be promoted up.
    Sounds like a problem in your state laws. None of that happened at my university due to state laws. Athletic funds stayed with the athletic department; research/academic funds stayed in the academic arena,... and this is they way it SHOULD be...
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We can. All hyperbole and whatever else aside, I do think you're a bright person who has worked hard for what you have. But I also believe I have credible criticism of the current incarnation of commercialized college football and basketball and some of the activities which go down. Not only is it academically questionable, but it gives other athletes a bad name because they can be grouped in with football and basketball which has grown corrupt and treated as nothing more than a business.
    Can we at least agree on a couple core points...

    1. Academic/research funds and athletic funds should be divorced from one another. That would also mean, however, that Athletic Department facilities (like the running track for example) would only be available for athletes, and not the general student population.
    2. Athletes should have to meet academic requirements and be required to hand in their own assignments -- with extensions granted for when student-athletes are on road trips.

    You have to understand, that your anti-athlete innuendo notwithstanding, this WAS my experience at university and living in the athletic dorms, I saw this was also the case with athletes from other sports, including hockey (the biggest sport at my school).
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    How was I making fun of intellectuals? I was pointing out that many professors don't understand the pressures that student-athletes have and sometimes actually make life more difficult for them. Hardly the same as what YOU are doing...
    i saw more than a few nerdy professors resent athletes-especially the ones who made top grades.

    one of my favorite memories of college involved a history professor who was considered the toughest grader in the dept. He taught a course on Roman History. the grade was based on a midterm, a final and four 6 page papers

    I did well on the MT and made As on the first three papers. So the last Paper I write on my way back from the 1980 qualifying event for the1980 Olympic team. I know the paper wasnt great. I ace the final but the day after the final as I am walking to the gym out comes Professor McMullin. He calls my name and asks me why my last paper sucked and noted I might not get an A in the course.

    So I tell him why-no excuses. He asked me if making the Olympic team was more important than an A-I said yes but I thought I could do both He asked me if I made the team-I said I made the finals but I didnt think I was shooting well enough to win one of two slots (later that summer I did not). So he asked me why I didn't ask for an excuse to write the paper later-I told him I thought I could make the deadline and it was a choice I made.

    so he smiled-pulled out my paper and threw it in the trash can and said something like honesty was a waning value

    not only did he give me an A-he was the guy who nominated me for a Rhodes next year.

    sadly, he was a rare bird but he had been a varsity captain 30 years before I ever met him



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    People always say yes because it brings in money, but almost every college loses money due to sports according to an ESPN article recently.

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Is it a good idea to keep admitting students to colleges based on their athletic skills rather than their academic skills?

    While I'm not against considering sports as a benefit to a student's resume, I'm talking about recruiting people specifically because of their sports skills.
    It depends on the school... I think it's beneficial to OSU because they spend most of the money on the sports programs

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    People always say yes because it brings in money, but almost every college loses money due to sports according to an ESPN article recently.
    that might be true-women's sports-due to Title IX I believe-requires a school to have equal varsity sports for women if there are as many women in the student body. women's sports lose money big time

    when I was in college,the women's BB team was rather good-the men's team sucked. yet the men's team would draw several thousand fans-even against teams with no real draw-when we played a really good team like Syracuse, the place would almost sell out. I went to a womens game because one of my friends was a starter-other than boyfriends (or a couple girlfriends) of the players and maybe 100 other people, the place was empty. yet the college spent the same on each team



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that might be true-women's sports-due to Title IX I believe-requires a school to have equal varsity sports for women if there are as many women in the student body. women's sports lose money big time

    when I was in college,the women's BB team was rather good-the men's team sucked. yet the men's team would draw several thousand fans-even against teams with no real draw-when we played a really good team like Syracuse, the place would almost sell out. I went to a womens game because one of my friends was a starter-other than boyfriends (or a couple girlfriends) of the players and maybe 100 other people, the place was empty. yet the college spent the same on each team
    It's not just due to Title IX, most football programs alone lose money.

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that might be true-women's sports-due to Title IX I believe-requires a school to have equal varsity sports for women if there are as many women in the student body. women's sports lose money big time

    when I was in college,the women's BB team was rather good-the men's team sucked. yet the men's team would draw several thousand fans-even against teams with no real draw-when we played a really good team like Syracuse, the place would almost sell out. I went to a womens game because one of my friends was a starter-other than boyfriends (or a couple girlfriends) of the players and maybe 100 other people, the place was empty. yet the college spent the same on each team
    Pretty much the same from my exeperence except for the women's gymnastics team when I was a grad student at Georgia. They were only outdrawn by the football team and were a revenue generating sport that usually outdrew the men's basketball team except during the short-lived Tubby Smith era.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    People always say yes because it brings in money, but almost every college loses money due to sports according to an ESPN article recently.
    Id be interested to see if that report re losing money meant strictly ticket sales. What has to be remembered is that most of the 'cost' of a program is intangible and most of the financial gain comes from university backer dollars and public relations.

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