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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

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    still waiting for that answer as to your college. being a good athlete is hardly anti-intellectual
    Again with the reading problems there Turtle. One would think that maybe you were the stereotypical jock the way you're going. I didn't say being a good athlete is anti-intellectual. I was making fun of a certain segment of the athletics community, namely the dumb ass jocks who get all the privilege because they happen to be great at football or basketball and thus are allowed to coast through the academic portion of University. As a result of said critique, someone called me anti-athlete. In response, once the other made fun of a certain segment of the intellectual/academic community; I returned the favor.

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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Again with the reading problems there Turtle. One would think that maybe you were the stereotypical jock the way you're going. I didn't say being a good athlete is anti-intellectual. I was making fun of a certain segment of the athletics community, namely the dumb ass jocks who get all the privilege because they happen to be great at football or basketball and thus are allowed to coast through the academic portion of University. As a result of said critique, someone called me anti-athlete. In response, once the other made fun of a certain segment of the intellectual/academic community; I returned the favor.

    It's really not that tough man, you just gotta give it a moment and think.

    we do note you seem to have a hard on for athletes that goes well beyond any valid arguments


    still waiting to hear how letting a talented athlete in rather than someone on the margin hurts the school



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we do note you seem to have a hard on for athletes that goes well beyond any valid arguments


    still waiting to hear how letting a talented athlete in rather than someone on the margin hurts the school
    I am not hard on all athletes. If you could read, you would have noted THAT by now. I have continually said that it is the ones who can't hack the academic work but because of their position in some sport, they can continue. And I've answered your question several times. Please, please, please for the love of all that is holy learn to read. I didn't say it "hurts" the school. I said admitting students to University based on sports is not beneficial on whole to the University, which is the topic of this thread. Wow, you're really a lawyer? Damn.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I am not hard on all athletes. If you could read, you would have noted THAT by now. I have continually said that it is the ones who can't hack the academic work but because of their position in some sport, they can continue. And I've answered your question several times. Please, please, please for the love of all that is holy learn to read. I didn't say it "hurts" the school. I said admitting students to University based on sports is not beneficial on whole to the University, which is the topic of this thread. Wow, you're really a lawyer? Damn.
    If could read-shall we compare educational backgrounds?



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If could read-shall we compare educational backgrounds?
    It doesn't matter where you went, it matters what you actually know. Its entirely possible for someone from UCLA to be more knowledgable about, say, economics than someone from Harvard, Yale or University of Chicago.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If could read-shall we compare educational backgrounds?
    We can. All hyperbole and whatever else aside, I do think you're a bright person who has worked hard for what you have. But I also believe I have credible criticism of the current incarnation of commercialized college football and basketball and some of the activities which go down. Not only is it academically questionable, but it gives other athletes a bad name because they can be grouped in with football and basketball which has grown corrupt and treated as nothing more than a business.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    It doesn't matter where you went, it matters what you actually know. Its entirely possible for someone from UCLA to be more knowledgable about, say, economics than someone from Harvard, Yale or University of Chicago.
    true, especially if the Harard guy majored in molecular biophysics or East Asian literature. and its somewhat possible that the average UCLA econ student knows as much about that subject as an Econ major at Wharton just like its theoretically possible for a high school kid to know more about real life than someone who has worked for almost thirty years etc but the odds are against it

    but when some guy suggests another cannot read comparing educational backgrounds seems rather appropriate



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    but when some guy suggests another cannot read comparing educational backgrounds seems rather appropriate
    Seriously though, that's because I've been rather clear on my position and you're trying to generalize it to an attitude against all student athletes that I do not hold. I've seen both sides of the spectrum. The athlete that goes above and beyond to perform both academically and in their athletics, and the ones who can't do crap academically but are given a pass because they play a particular sport and are good at it, lending to academically corrupt behavior which is nothing more than down right cheating.
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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We can. All hyperbole and whatever else aside, I do think you're a bright person who has worked hard for what you have. But I also believe I have credible criticism of the current incarnation of commercialized college football and basketball and some of the activities which go down. Not only is it academically questionable, but it gives other athletes a bad name because they can be grouped in with football and basketball which has grown corrupt and treated as nothing more than a business.
    well I can agree with that but the OP was about giving people with strong sports backgrounds breaks in admissions and I thought they should



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    Re: Is Admitting Students to College based on Sports Beneficial?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well I can agree with that but the OP was about giving people with strong sports backgrounds breaks in admissions and I thought they should
    I have no problem with any athlete who can honestly uphold their academic responsibilities. That is the foremost thing in University, education. I have said that overall sports does not have a huge benefit to University. It is very beneficial for those who participate, there's lots to learn and great opportunity for personal growth. I'm not looking to divorce sports from school. But I would like honest academic standards applied equally to everyone. Be it some dork who likes physics, some rich kid who's daddy got them into college, or the athlete there on scholarship. I cannot stand academic dishonesty and certain folk getting passes not because of their academic achievements, but rather because of their performance in extra curricular activities.

    But you know, seriously for all the poking fun and trying to push your buttons, sorry.
    Last edited by Ikari; 01-27-11 at 11:50 PM.
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